Don’t like anonymous truth tellers? Okay, try this one.

There is nothing surprising in this statement by Pence’s Covid Task Force aide. It simply confirms what any rational person grounded in evidence already knows. Trump put politics above the welfare of the American people. Period.

16 thoughts on “Don’t like anonymous truth tellers? Okay, try this one.

  1. Is her middle name by chance “Karen?”

    Try watching the first few minutes with the sound off(I was looking for my headphones) and you can see the hate and entitlement in her eyes.

    She seems to think that scaring people earlier would have helped, Trump believed panic added to the danger. So, she is furious that the President didn’t submit to her view and states, without evidence, that her way would have prevented the pandemic.

    Personally, I don’t think it made much difference either way. The US is a diverse, mobile country with a lot of people to travel abroad for work. The pandemic was coming here no matter what we did.

    Other than encouraging mask wearing earlier, and by example, I don’t see any missed opportunities that would have made a significant difference at the time the decisions were made.

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  2. RE: “It [the video] simply confirms what any rational person grounded in evidence already knows.”

    Does it really? Or does the video merely confirm the prior beliefs and values of people who already hate the president?

    The video is a campaign ad, for goodness sakes. It is no more serious than a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

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    1. I disagree with your assessment that this video is no more serious than a Bugs Bunny cartoon. Mike Pence was supposedly the leader of the government effort to contain the pandemic and this young woman was his point person in that effort. She is, therefore, in a unique position to know the truth about Trump’s leadership in this crisis. Furthermore, she is not some “lefty” whose motives might be suspect. She is a life-long Republican and had been a well-respected aide to Pence for quite some time before the pandemic rolled in.

      I will agree with you on one point. I believed – before seeing this testimony – that Trump had bungled the greatest challenge to the country on his watch. And sure enough, seeing this DOES confirm that belief. Evidence has that effect. On some people.

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      1. RE: “this young woman was his point person in that effort.”

        What does “point person” mean to you? Olivia Troye held a staff position and was primarily responsible for scheduling meetings. For all we know, she may have been incompetent, since she was let go. Her commentary may be liitle more than the remorse of a disgruntled employee.

        RE: “I believed – before seeing this testimony – that Trump had bungled the greatest challenge to the country on his watch.”

        So your biases were confirmed? I see no factual evidence of bungling the Covid response in this video, just a lot of mind-reading about the president’s motives and attitude. Good stuff for confirmation bias, but not very helpful for rational thinking.

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        1. Again you try to lower the tone around here. When will you stop?

          Now my thinking is not rational because I believe the testimony of someone in a position to know what she is talking about is useful.

          The irrationality around this subject and around the whole Trump phenomenon is on the part of those who over and over and over again find reasons to ignore the compelling evidence in front of them.

          And, by the way, it does not require mind reading for this witness to hear the President’s words. For example, he may have been offering another lame joke, but there is no reason to believe the did not say he was glad not to have to shake the hands of so many “disgusting” people.

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        2. RE: “Again you try to lower the tone around here. When will you stop?”

          I think your campaign video lowers the tone. Are we really supposed to discuss propaganda as though it were Truth, or even merely journalism?

          Ms. Troye makes an assertion about the president’s state of mind (that he finds his own supporters to be generally and categorically “disgusting”). But the words she attributes to Trump are not corroborated by any other source in the video, and obviously they can have a very different interpretation than the one she imagines. Forensically, Ms. Troyes’ assertion is unsubstantiated and the event she reports is inherently ambiguous.

          Such is the low level of rationality posting this video forces on the forum.

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          1. Of course you are entitled to your opinion about what material lowers the tone. I have a similar opinion with some of the pieces I have seen here from sources that Q would approve of. Or pieces that refer to the opposition to Trump as “Commies.” However, accusing other posters of not being rational, or spreading foolishness or of harming others is a more direct way of bringing down the tone. Especially when such accusations are very poorly founded.

            It is hard to see how being exposed to campaign videos – especially ones containing newsworthy new developments as in this case – and being given the opportunity to react one way or another is a bad thing. But, again, you are entitled to your opinion. If your only response is to attack the witness or the person posting the piece, that too is your privilege.

            With all that said the fact remains that this woman is in a position to know, has no obvious reason to lie and what she says is very consistent with Trump’s cruddy behavior which has been on public view for decades.

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  3. There is none so blind as those who will not see.

    It is not a major stretch to say that the greatest tool to reduce the damage from a pandemic is a concerned and well-informed public. It is beyond dispute that Trump did everything in his power to keep the public ignorant and unconcerned. He is STILL doing it.

    I am sure you know absolutely nothing about the character of this woman but that does not stop you from casting aspersions. Entitlement? From her eyes? Good grief.

    As for the hatred you see, someone else might see a person squinting from too bright a light on her face. But if the hatred is there, Trump put it there. Maybe if you would accept the fact that Trump’s selfish and misguided leadership caused the premature death of countless thousands of people, you might find a little hatred creeping in as well? Or, maybe not.

    There has been a very long parade of people – “the best people” – who went to work for Trump in good faith and, like this young woman, ended up as witnesses for the banality, incompetence and corruption they had to deal with. Either they are all self-serving liars (and therefore not “the best people”) or they are reporting honestly.

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    1. RE: “It is beyond dispute that Trump did everything in his power to keep the public ignorant and unconcerned.”

      Nothing is more easily disputed. The administration’s Task Force briefings were televised daily and published on YouTube, for example. They were there to be seen by those who would.

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      1. “Nothing is more easily disputed.”

        It is well documented that Trump used those briefings to do exactly what he said he liked to do – “down play” the threat. It is also clear that he stopped his personal involvement in the briefings because the scientists around him made him look doubly foolish with their attempts to correct the disinformation he was trying to spread.

        To this day, Trump puts the lives of his most fervent supporters at risk – not to mention the general public in the towns he graces with his visits – with his refusal to curtail indoor rallies and to enforce even rudimentary safeguards such as wearing masks by those who attend.

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      2. RE: “It is well documented that Trump used those briefings to do exactly what he said he liked to do – ‘down play’ the threat.”

        It is well documented only in the sense that some have expressed that opinion. Merely having the daily briefings was an act of informing the public and addressing the public’s concerns. Had Trump truly done “everything in his power to keep the public ignorant and unconcerned,” he would not have allowed the briefings at all. That was certainly within his power, and it proves your assertion to be wrong.

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  4. With all due respect, the act of holding a briefing does not mean that the content of the briefing was not disinformation. We know from the Woodward tapes that Trump’s rosy statements and optimistic predictions were not consistent with what he knew at the time he made them.

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  5. The pretzel making of Trump’s supporters is the envy of street vendors all over the world.

    “That’s not really what he said” has been laid to rest by Trump’s own words to Woodward. Yet the true believers spin and spin to try and make truth out of, for lack of a better word BULLSHIT.

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