Another view on the Confederacy

Walter E Williams

If Len can throw firebombs, so can I.

17 thoughts on “Another view on the Confederacy

  1. One question: Who fired the first shots of the Civil War?

    Walter Williams opinions are questionable, at best. Yes, the colonists WERE traitors…to the Crown of England. No one denies that. However those who took up arms against the Constitution and the Union were as well.

    Also, it is believed that if the South had won the war, they would have been crawling back to the Union in about 50 years (or less) because, economically, they would have been broke.

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    1. The Union supply ship invaded South Carolina’s territorial waters and was rightfully fired upon.

      And I seriously doubt the South would have faced financial hardship when freed of the North’s tariffs and export fees. Further, I doubt slavery would have lasted another decade in the South anyway.

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      1. …”supply ship invaded South Carolina’s “…

        A supply ship? Yeah OK. Not exactly a man of war, but OK.

        And seeing as SC was part of the country, then to call is an invasion is a stretch.

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  2. Firebombs? Moi?

    How could you say such a thing? I am crushed.

    “ Those who label Robert E. Lee and other Confederate generals as traitors might also label George Washington a traitor.”

    And I believe England did look at the seceding colonists as traitors. And did they let them just wander off?

    I believe King George fought them tooth and nail in a bloody war for years.

    But he lost the war.

    Lincoln didn’t.

    “ The Confederacy has been the excuse for some of today’s rioting, property destruction and grossly uninformed statements.”

    It wasn’t the Confederacy that was an “excuse”. It was the memorializing of it for a century afterwards while dismantling the citizenship and dignity of slave descendants legally, culturally and by terror.

    And the even when the laws changed, the effort to maintain a status quo of second class citizenship for 12% of our population continued just below the radar.

    Do you think if the descendants had been treated with welcoming and open arms, intermarrying, good education and even helping those give 40 acres and a mule to succeed that the statues would have been even built 40 years after the Civil War or that the Klan and others would have tortured and killed 4000 plus blacks. Or that atrocities like Greenwood OK, and many other successful black business districts would have taken place. Or union jobs denied blacks during and after the Great Migration. Or loans for housing.

    It ain’t the war in 1860. It’s that America in general and the South in particular just could not shed the overt racism that justified slavery. And it continued for another century.

    And after 1965, Whites said ok, your equal now. Of course housing still stayed segregated with winks and nods. Red lining continued under the radar. So the nice suburbs that returning white GI’s could buy into and raise familial wealth overtime was still not possible for minorities. Jobs were still segregated until affirmative action, and even that was bypassed easily with money and lawyers.

    See, the fact is that a nation cannot keep a large part of its population sucking the proverbial hind teats but for so long. Then a reckoning comes. And we might be in it.

    IMHO

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    1. The problem you and BLM have is proving this “under the radar” wide spread oppression actually exists. Are there anecdotal instances of racism? Sure, by ALL races. You and BLM claim something that doesn’t exist. Living in a neighborhood of $400k+ homes of which abt half are owned by black families, this oppression seems to escape my eyes. Why is that?

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      1. Racism is much less prevalent since The 1960’s. It took a lot of pain, blood, sweat and tears to get a law passed. Whole parties shifted sides.

        But if you read my posts about the race issue, you’ll get my reasons we have work to do. And that it will take time.

        That’s my opinion.

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  3. We shall hang together, or we shall surely hang separately. Words of the mutineer. So yeah, Washington was a traitor and the rest too. But not just to the Crown. They were also accused of heresy.

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    1. Actually the case against Washington was far stronger than against Lee.

      Lee’s loyalty was the Virginia.

      As Williams pointed out, the peace treaty with Britain was between Britain and 13 independent states.

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      1. “The treaty, signed by Franklin, Adams and Jay at the Hotel d’York in Paris, was finalized on September 3, 1783, and ratified by the Continental Congress on January 14, 1784.“

        It sounds like the individual states ratified the treaty in Congress.

        But this was also before the states agreed to a new Constitution “to form a more perfect union”.

        We were colonials who split from England. We did not try to destroy England by splitting it up. That was want the slave states decided to do to our new nation. States that signed a Constitution to make a single, new nation.

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        1. Again, Madison, the primary author, did not see it that way and said that the Constitution would not have been ratified if it contained language to prevent a state from seceding.

          Lincoln provoked the war because he would have lost in court.

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          1. But there is no Constitutional mechanism to allow secession.

            Lincoln provoked the war? Various secession documents say otherwise. Plus who attacked federal forts.

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          2. Lincoln sent the Star of the West with troops and supplies to re-enforce Ft Sumter, which South Carolina had ordered the Union to vacate. The first shots were fired on that ship as it entered SC territorial waters, forcing it to withdraw, and Ft Sumter fired on Charleston. SC then bombarded Sumter for 33 hours, forcing its surrender and withdrawal of troops. Sending more troops after SC had ordered the withdrawal of Federal troops from its territory was a provocation SC could not tolerate and maintain its sovereignty. Lincoln knew that when he sent the re-enforcements.

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          3. I have researched several links on the Fort Sumter issue and found nothing that said that the Feds opened fire on Charleston first.

            S.C. fired on the resupply ships. Then bombarded the fort for 33 hours until surrender.

            Being as the fort was facing 3000 Confederate fighters chomping at the bit to attack, it is likely that there either was no shot at Charleston or confusion reigned.

            S.C. had ceded the land for Sumter decades earlier, but compromise was out of the question by either S.C. or Lincoln.

            S.C. “crossed the Rubicon” when it attacked Union forces on Union property. Lincoln was not about to have the new nation ripped apart.

            The seceding states cared not about the US, only slavery as a viable economic model. Missouri Compromise and Fugitive Slave Laws were not enough. The stage was set for either a failed experiment in a democratic republic or a strong nation.

            At some point, splintering the nation according to whims and wishes of a relatively small handful of wealthy slave holders, who were the power in the South, or saving the Union were the options.

            There were fears of other states bailing should the South succeed. Balkanization before the term was known would have been the death knell of the freest society at the time.

            Lincoln made the right choice.

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  4. I am so pleased we have a Walter Williams. I’m sad to say he makes more sense than the rest of the Pilot, which is mainly leftist boilerplate. I don’t think that’s what Frank Batten had in mind.

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  5. I’m surprised no one has mentioned the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration is based on the idea that secession is a natural right. That this idea was the common view of the period, and remained so at least up through the Civil War is the historical reality that Williams validates with factual detail.

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