Anti-mask wearing folks lambast Palm Beach County Board at public hearing.

Watch this insane viral video of Florida anti-maskers screaming at lawmakers

The video shows raw arguments against masks, but with Florida surging to record infections and hospitalizations, it seems a bit disconcerting.

Interfering with “God’s plan” seems a pretty strong talking point. Fear of communism is another. 5G popped up as part of a “control” of the people.

Oh, well. I am just concerned in case a pandemic breaks out.

36 thoughts on “Anti-mask wearing folks lambast Palm Beach County Board at public hearing.

          1. One of the problems we have in dealing with the pandemic is the effort to make everything about Trump.

            You knee jerk blame for Trump for everything and 45% of the population will blame his opponents.

            We would deal with this better if we left politics out of it and discuss the issues on the merits.

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          2. I agree. Who is putting mask wearing in non-medical terms?

            The vast majority of Americans approve of wearing masks as an effective way to reduce the spread of COVID. Even a sizeable majority of Republicans.

            So what is driving these mask averse folks? They are getting approval for their actions from somewhere and it ain’t the medical community.

            It is a political statement. In Congress virtually 100% of Democrats wore masks. Republicans either didn’t or removed them when seated.

            What is up with that? Pure coincidence?

            Honestly, if all Republicans, including Trump, regularly encouraged mask wearing as a way out of our economic conundrum and as an expression of patriotic concern for our fellow citizens we might not even have this issue.

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          3. And if all Democrats had refrained from politicizing the COVID-19 epidemic since before it even had that name, we would not have this issue either.

            The problem is that EVERY issue is used as a club to beat Trump and no problem is solved through cooperation.

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          4. …”if all Democrats had refrained from politicizing the COVID-19 epidemic since before it even had that name, we would not have this issue either.”

            The only thing that has been truly politicized, and rightly so, is the administrations response…or lack thereof… to the information that was in hand in January and February. Pushing to open churches for Easter when it has been shown that churches have been mini super spreader places. Not strongly advocating for the wearing of masks to contain the spread. Telling the states to basically “bite me” when they requested assistance. Ignoring, for 3 years the SNS, when they outgoing administration provided ample evidence of a worldwide pandemic happening again.

            Your lack of criticism of the administration is disconcerting and to say “not everything is about Trump” is to blind yourself to the reality that Trump has dug his own grave politically because he didn’t want to hear or share bad news.

            Wash that down with a glass of Clorox and a UV light.

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  1. It is very clear that the purpose of the piece of journalism this post is based on is to ridicule the good people of Palm Beach. This reprehensible purpose is made explicit in the second bullet of the introduction to the piece:

    “* The clip shows enraged citizens at the prospect of being forced to wear face masks, invoking some of the silliest reasons to resist the face coverings.”

    There is no objective basis for calling any of the citizens’ concerns “silly.” In fact, citizens are under no obligation to account for their beliefs, much less to adhere to beliefs which have some stamp of approval.

    Wherever you stand on the issue of mandatory facemask laws, I would ask you to contemplate the immorality of journalism that makes a laughingstock of people because of their ideas.

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    1. The article only called them silly. I would have called them narcissistic sociopaths so they got off easy.

      I have no mercy for the anti-vaxxers or anti-maskers, as they depend on others to take the risks they refuse to take themselves for their safety.

      I really don’t like mandatory mask laws, but shaming is the other option.

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      1. RE: “shaming is the other option”

        A bad one. Public shaming is a social pathology. It is barbaric, meaning outside the rule of law.

        This very forum has a rule against personal attacks. Is there an exception for shaming people who “deserve” it?

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        1. Shaming people who exhibit an sociopathic behavior is not the same thing as shaming people for who they are.

          We know for as close to a scientific certainty as is possible that wearing of masks in public places will save many lives at very little cost to the person wearing the mask.

          If someone chooses to endanger others for his own convenience, or as an expression of political disdain, then he brings shame upon himself.

          Refusing to adjust behavior in a pandemic to reduce the number of infections and deaths is little different from drunk driving, and we have no problem attaching a social stigma to that selfish behavior.

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        2. RE: “Shaming people who exhibit an sociopathic behavior is not the same thing as shaming people for who they are.”

          I’d say it is impossible to tell the difference.

          RE: “We know for as close to a scientific certainty as is possible that wearing of masks in public places will save many lives…”

          In my understanding of the science, the public health benefits of facemask use become measurable only at the margins. You need a large percentage of a large population wearing masks before the effect even becomes detectable.

          That doesn’t mean that the benefit isn’t as real as you say, but it does mean that it is rational to weigh both costs and benefits in determining public policy with respect to facemask use. For example, had national facemask mandates been implemented at the start of the pandemic, medical personnel would have experienced unacceptable shortages that could not be resolved in a timely manner.

          I’m OK with facemask mandates so long as they are produced as the result of deliberative due process. More than that, I’m in favor of government retaining its monopoly on the use of force and coersion to ensure the general welfare. Public shaming, especially by media, is illegitimate and contradictory to the franchise.

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          1. “Costs and benefits”?

            A face mask is a few cents or a few bucks. Treating a COVID patient is in the tens of thousands for those hospitalized.

            Those folks who disobey the emergency declarations should be shamed. We do it to people who are sentenced to community service for petty crimes.

            I would say folks who spit in our spaces need to be told that is unacceptable in a pandemic.

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          2. “had national facemask mandates been implemented at the start of the pandemic, medical personnel would have experienced unacceptable shortages ”

            The shortage was for N95 class resperators worn by healthcare personnel for protection. There was never a shortage of the cloth masks, as simple as a bandana, that are recommended for protecting others.

            The CDC did a horrible job of making that distinction early on, but it is clear now.

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    2. I disagree. It was a slice of life And deservedly so. I despise the whole anti-mask movement because those people don’t give a crap about any other Americans except their own petty, mean spirited selves and ignorant pals.

      We know masks work to the degree that they are worn regularly and properly. It is a matter of not spreading the wearer’s aerosol to others more than self protection.

      And that is a matter of decency and concern for the community.

      If those people don’t want to wear a mask, at least they should be honest and say it is because they just don’t care about others in a pandemic. Instead they give BS reasons about liberty, freedom and blaming God’s plans.

      Trump mocked wearers and refuses to wear one. He encourages packed rallies. His campaign removed stickers on seats in Tulsa to prevent the every other seat spacing. What kind of crap is that?

      Maybe when a few of those folks end up in the hospital or kill their elderly family members It will be a wake up call. Assuming they care.

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      1. RE: “I despise the whole anti-mask movement because those people don’t give a crap about any other Americans except their own petty, mean spirited selves and ignorant pals.”

        In other words, it isn’t possible for an anti-masker to have a rational opinion because they are sub-humans. You’ve made yourself a nice cut-out where hating your fellow man is acceptable.

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        1. …”it isn’t possible for an anti-masker to have a rational opinion”…

          As soon as there is one grounded in reason, sure. But this snippet of life in Palm Beach County (where my aunt and uncle happen to live; he a cancer survivor, she with a myriad of heart issues) is indicative of the mindset throughout the anti-mask crowd. I have yet to see or hear anything reasonable from any of them.

          Perhaps you can assist by providing a rational reason for NOT doing the one thing almost all health professionals agree is a way to slow or prevent the spread.

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          1. RE: “But this snippet of life in Palm Beach County indicative of the mindset throughout the anti-mask crowd”

            We don’t know that. By definition, the snippet contains insufficient information to evaluate anyone’s mindset.

            RE: “Perhaps you can assist by providing a rational reason for NOT doing the one thing almost all health professionals agree is a way to slow or prevent the spread.”

            I believe all the objections raised by the people in the video can be supported by valid arguments informed by medical science. I’m not inclined to reject any of them out of prejudicial assumptions.

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          2. “ I believe all the objections raised by the people in the video can be supported by valid arguments informed by medical science.“

            Go for it. Support away. Your turn at the soapbox.

            List your valid arguments and those voiced in the video for not wearing a face mask and base them on informed medical science.

            Thanks.

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          3. “By definition, the snippet”…

            try looking up “snippet” and see exactly what the definition is. Here allow me to assist. From Merriam-webster.com

            “a small part, piece, or thing”

            The video contains PLENTY of information. You just don’t like it so you tend to ignore it or make excuses for it. Or in the case of this apparent stupidity, defend it.

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        2. Rational opinion about what? That wearing a mask is bad? Or good? Or a plot by Bill Gates.

          That is like having a rational opinion about the slaughter in CT was a false flag. Or Pizzagate was a child sex ring.

          As usual you are putting words in my post that I never said.

          “Sub-humans”? Get real please.

          I would suggest that you do the same as Bob, but I am limiting my ad hominem attacks to one a month. Like our new gun law.

          A meme that has been around a bit:

          A student says: “We wear bullet proof back packs, go though metal detectors and practice active shooter drills in my school. You say that is the price of freedom.”

          “But wearing a mask in a store for 30 minutes is tyranny.”

          If the mask wearers are unhappy, let them voice their opposition while wearing a mask rather than purposefully and effectively spitting in our faces.

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          1. RE: :’Sub-humans’? Get real please.”

            I’m being quite real. I can’t read your justification for detesting people in any other way.

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      2. I can mostly agree until you throw in despising people or politicizing it. Once again, I didn’t know all those 20-30 somethings were Trump fans.

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        1. They may not have all been Republicans. Or any for that matter. But I see much more politicizing of face masks from the administration and the GOP. The reason I bring up the president is he is the leader of our country. Berating face mask wearers is, to me, inexcusable from him.

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          1. Why is it so hard for you to break away from Trump bashing and address an issue for what it is. Sadly, this is a societal problem, mostly young people, not a political one. Try looking at things from a different angle than trying to tie all that is bad to the GOP. You are insulting a very large swath of people by doing so, including me.

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          2. I am trying to see why people don’t wear masks. I have seen very few excuses that make sense in the medical and scientific explanations. None, really.

            So that leaves what?

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          3. PS, if you feel insulted because I state an opinion I would say you are certainly overly sensitive.

            You want my opinions to be just like yours?

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          4. The GOP sits in the white House and controls the Senate. The leadership being displayed by both places is lacking. If Trump were to jump on the pro-mask wagon train, we would (belatedly) cheer him for it. But he continues to denigrate those who choose health and safety over some mixed up view of liberty. When your personal choice endangers the health and well-being of others, regardless of your political affiliation, it is wrong.

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