Oh, the irony


Pretty good one by Lukovich.

16 thoughts on “Oh, the irony

    1. I don’t think that is the point at all. It is not the behavior of the police at the demonstrations and civil unrest that is the issue.

      The issue is the police behavior for decades before.

      However, there are some decent studies and evidence that when police show up at a demonstration in regular gear and work with the crowd, as several departments did, the violence is way down.

      If they show up as they are going to war and start pushing and cornering the crowd, the poop hits the fan.

      When the #LIBERATE demonstrators entered the capitol building in Michigan, police let them vent, even screaming inches from the faces of the the state troopers (virus issues, remember?), but did not engage or shove back. Why is that?

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      1. “Why is that?”

        The long guns may have had something to do with it? Oh, wait. They were peacefully yelling at law enforcement inches form their face. Meanwhile another protester is 20 feet from a cop line and is approached by 5 or 6 officers and then pepper sprayed.

        Just a thought.

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  1. How utterly stupid can you be? Your BLM heroes are burning down society and you expect the police to show up with some daisies and chocolate? I honestly fear for a very bad ending to this nonsense and idiot boy in Portsmouth, who may win the Darwin award, is an example. You cannot burn down the town and expect law enforcement to not show up with their safety coming first. To think otherwise is even more stupid.


    1. I don’t know about idiot boy. I hope he survives. I do want people to know that their actions come with other results. These and some people did not know and it was just a party. Did the state senator knowingly encourage the assault on the statue?


    2. You really are missing the point. As Len noted above numerous studies have shown that if police are close, but not armed for bear and geared up like they are headed into Fallujah, the protests tend to stay peaceful.

      I am NOT condoning the rioting and looting. But you keep focusing on that which is slowly but surely receding, like my hairline.


      1. RE: “As Len noted above numerous studies have shown that if police are close, but not armed for bear and geared up like they are headed into Fallujah, the protests tend to stay peaceful.”

        Can you or Mr. Rothman cite any of those studies? Since I have never heard of them, I’m inclined to dismiss the reference as apocryphal.

        Considering the firepower that miscreants can bring to a confrontation, I tend to think it is best for police to be better armed and protected than any potential adversaries.


        1. Click to access Policing%20Protests.pdf

          “According to crowd psychologists, one of the best ways to accomplish this objective is
          to place a major emphasis on how to be supportive towards crowd members pursuing legal goals and activities, even under conditions where one is aware of the presence of groups with illegal goals and even at points where these groups start to act in illegal or violent ways. Such an emphasis makes it more likely that crowd members will, at best, suppress violence in their midst. At worst, one can expect members to isolate people acting violently and accept police action against violent groups should it prove necessary.”


          “Researchers have spent 50 years studying the way crowds of protesters and crowds of police behave—and what happens when the two interact. One thing they will tell you is that when the police respond by escalating force—wearing riot gear from the start, or using tear gas on protesters—it doesn’t work. In fact, disproportionate police force is one of the things that can make a peaceful protest not so peaceful.“

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        2. Thank you for the cites, Mr. Rothman. I spent the better part of the day reading the first one, and learned a lot.

          Here’s a quote that confirms the view that over-militarization of the police presence can be counterproductive:

          “Staging officers in riot gear in full view of a peaceful crowd is a flawed strategy that is based
          on outdated principles from crowd psychology. It is a classic example of a strategy that is likely to generate
          unintended consequences, in this case potentially stimulating the very conflict it is intended to prevent.”

          I think it would be fair to say that the social psychology of crowds is better understood today than it was 50 or 100 years ago. But I would hasten to add that this is true both for the police and for organized protesters. Both sides are capable of exploiting “public order” events, and do.

          In the end, “protest policing” must be based on police having superior force over protesters, should the need arise.


      2. Oh hooey. “Studies have shown” blah, blah, blah. From who, where are they? It’s quite simple really, if you go into a situation where a bear may attack, you dress for bear. You cannot clear out an unlawful mob with tasers, a mars bar and pretty please. Get real…


        1. ” From who, where are they?”

          Len posted 2 and I added a link to a third.

          You ain’t get no smarter you don’t read.

          Three total studies posted and you’re still asking where are they? WTH?


        2. …”cannot clear out an unlawful mob”…

          Since when is people exercising First Amendment rights unlawful? I didn’t see you so upset when ARMED white men stormed the state capitol in Michigan.

          You are part of the problem because you refuse to want a solution. – IMNSHO


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