Chinese investigators are on their way to the Central African Republic to determine if it was the Wagner Group who slaughtered Chinese citizens working in a mine. Local people have made a very compelling case that it was. Seems Russians are using Wagner Group force to ensure that only Russian can operate mines in that country.
With friends like Russia who needs enemies?
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This bolsters the concern that Wagner boss is interested in Bakhmut for its mines and he is willing to use Putin’s conscripts and prisoners to achieve that goal.
This is the kind of dictator that Putin supporters want Ukraine to surrender to.
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Well, if our CIA had not fomented a war in Ukraine, that vacuum would not have been there for the Wagner group to exploit.
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Of course Putin starting insurgencies in Donbas, invading Crimea and the Donbas and then the whole country might have had something to do with the war.
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“Well, if our CIA had not fomented a war in Ukraine”
LOL!
I did not know that V. Putin was a CIA operative! You learn something new every day.
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…”if our CIA had not fomented a war in Ukraine,”
You got a cite for that? Or you just blowing your usual smoke?
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There are many, here’s one
https://www.globalresearch.ca/anatomy-coup-how-cia-front-laid-foundations-ukraine-war/5785577
The late John McCain was deeply involved.
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Not impressed.
And the idea of CONTAINING Russian aggression is beneficial to the West as a whole. BUt G-d forbid that something positive comes out of it.
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Assuming the report is correct, or even partially so, let’s parse this a bit.
Putin wanted to expand his borders right up to Europe. This was probably known by our CIA, after all, that is their job. We, and Europe, thought that was not very safe since we know now, through recent speeches, that Putin never accepted Ukraine’s sovereignty. Plans to invade Crimea were probably found out years before.
So the point from our side would be to make Ukraine part of Europe and keep the ex-KGB thug contained to Russia’s agreed to borders.
As it turns out, this was the right move since Putin’s bloodlust is now on worldview. No longer he is just butchering Syrians, Chechnyans, Georgians, but Ukrainians, East Europeans as much as Slavs.
And it turns out that Ukraine does not want to be a part of the Russian oligarchy. They saw a better future with the West than with a dictator who kills journalists, opposition politicians , and anyone else whom he feels like.
For icing on the cake, Manafort, Trump’s chief campaign man, was essentially on Putin’s payroll.collecting millions to keep his man in Kiev in power.
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Look at the two maps
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/19/two-maps-show-natos-growth-and-russias-growing-isolation-since-1990.html
If Putin is trying to expand into Europe, he’s doing a lousy job. Remember, that we promised NATO would not expand 1 inch Eastward.
Part of Ukraine does not want to be part of Russia, but part of it does. Initially, the Eastern Oblasts simply wanted independent home rule. but they have since voted to be part of Russia.
Why not let them go their own way in peace?
Much like 2/3rds of Oregon wants to be part of Idaho. https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/10/greater-idaho-016.jpg?resize=1024,732&quality=75&strip=all
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“Remember, that we promised NATO would not expand 1 inch Eastward.”
Bullshit. Same old lie.
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RE: “Seems Russians are using Wagner Group force to ensure that only Russian can operate mines in that country.”
Seems? Nothing more than that?
Playing make believe must be what “woke” is.
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Being woke is the state after waking up…and smelling the coffee.
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I’d rather drink the coffee than smell it.
Do you not notice that the source article for the post is entirely dubious?
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If it is, please demonstrate or refute.
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I already did. Mr. Murphy captured the problem perfectly with his word, “seems.”
But read the article carefully. The accusations against Wagner are all unsubstantiated. I make an issue of it because I don’t like to see guilt by association treated as normal. It is actually a form of intellectual dishonesty.
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You have not refuted a damned thing.
There is no “guilt by association.” Russian mobsters have been controlling the mines of the Central African Republic with Wagner violence. They are DIRECTLY guilty. Putin could reign them in, but has not. He is directly guilty as well.
“It is actually a form of intellectual dishonesty.”
I would say shove that up your ass, but with you head so far up it, there is no room left.
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RE: “You have not refuted a damned thing.”
No, I haven’t. There is nothing to refute, except the idea that you have provided evidence that you and your story are truthful.
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“There is nothing to refute”
There is plenty to try to refute. You just can’t so, as you frequently do, you start hurling insults. There was absolutely nothing “intellectually dishonest” in my post. Nothing.
These are facts that you cannot refute . . .
Russian mobsters have hired the Wagner Group to control the C.A.R. mines and exclude non-Russians from operating them through violence and intimidation. There is little doubt about this being the case. It is confirmed by multiple sources. Including the U.N.
There are credible allegations that Wagner mercenaries were behind the recent mass murder of Chinese miners.
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RE: “Russian mobsters have hired the Wagner Group to control the C.A.R. mines and exclude non-Russians from operating them through violence and intimidation.”
You are correct. I cannot refute it. But you can’t prove it, either. It is therefore dishonest of you to pass off the allegation as “fact.”
RE: “There are credible allegations that Wagner mercenaries were behind the recent mass murder of Chinese miners.”
There are also credible denials and alternative explanations, which you conveniently — and dishonestly — ignore.
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“There are also credible denials and alternative explanations, which you conveniently — and dishonestly — ignore.”
I stated that the Chinese were going to investigate credible allegations. The story I linked to covered competing allegations.
There is absolutely nothing dishonest about anything I have posted. And yet you keep coming back with your insults. Stupid insults. Sadly, you seem to be one of those people described by John Cleese who are too stupid to know how profoundly stupid they are. Pretty much beyond help and too annoying to elicit pity.
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RE: “I stated that the Chinese were going to investigate credible allegations.”
Yes, you did. And then you started passing off allegations as facts.
This is good, though. The forensics of your dishonesty deserve the explanation I am giving them.
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…”hen you started passing off allegations as facts.”
Hersh much?
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Hersh not at all.
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Hersh did the same freaking thing and you touted it as fact.
Screw your hypocrisy, Mr. Roberts. You are so blind or forgetful that you can’t see you were just busted accusing someone of doing what YOU yourself do every day.
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RE: “Hersh did the same freaking thing and you touted it as fact.”
You are mistaken. I challenge you to quote me.
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Neuriva delivery to the Roberts residence pending.
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“Playing make believe must be what “woke” is.”
Yes, it “seems” because there are conflicting stories. But the story told by the locals and the survivors who were not killed “seems” very credible. It is credible enough that China has dispatched a team to investigate who attacked their new mine a week after it opened and slaughtered the Chinese miners.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/05/03/central-african-republic-abuses-russia-linked-forces
I am not sure what is “dubious” about Yahoo News or The Daily Beast. They are certainly far less “dubious” than the sites you constantly link to.
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RE: “I am not sure what is ‘dubious’ about Yahoo News or The Daily Beast.”
Yeah, that’s part of your problem. But, I never said your sources were dubious. I said the story is dubious.
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Wow! A whole new definition of woke. Further proof it is a word used by right wing dolts that can’t define it, but hang it on EVERYTHING they disagree with. “If I don’t agree with, it has to be woke.”
Thank you for proving what I have been saying about “woke” for the past several weeks to be spot on.
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You are most welcome, but wrong.
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How am I wrong? Are you telling me comprehension of the various uses of “woke” here and several other places is wrong?
Someone who wrote the book on “woke” couldn’t even define it.
I’m not wrong. Just more enlightened then you and your medieval thinking.
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RE: “How am I wrong?”
I didn’t prove anything you have said about the word woke.
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You have added to the use of the word to define ANYTHING you don’t believe or you disagree with. Proof positive that the right wing version of the word is nothing more than a buzzword used to define anything and everything that the right disagrees with.
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