The VEA as a channel for radical ideology

VEA instructs teachers to evade Youngkin’s directive

The VEA provides teachers with a BLM Toolkit for implementing CRT in schools in defiance of Youngkin’s restrictions on divisive teaching.

Just as bad, BLM has abandoned its role as a check on police excesses when dealing with Black suspects, in favor of becoming a Trojan Horse for every Marxist and Gender or Woke cause.

It is time for Virginia to follow other states and let the money follow the child for school choice. Let the marketplace decide if we want children educated or indoctrinated. If that defunds the VEA dominated public schools. so be it.

126 thoughts on “The VEA as a channel for radical ideology

  1. Your hair-on-fire take on the VEA ignoring the Governor’s “directive” on hiding “divisive” materials and your various slanders are too emotional to respond to. Why bother? So, I will not waste the effort other than pointing out that teachers do not work for the governor nor do his “directives” carry the force of law. Attempts to add the force of law to this nonsense were defeated in the Legislature.

    On the real issue, I want the Constitution to be followed. I believe in the complete separation of Church and State as did the Founding Fathers. I do not want my tax dollars to flow directly or indirectly to support “Christian” education which is the stated intention of these attacks on public education which you champion.

    Freedom of religion allows parents to deliberately raise ignorant children by sending them to schools that indoctrinate them in laughable nonsense, but it does not require that they use public money to do so.

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  2. RE: “The VEA provides teachers with a BLM Toolkit for implementing CRT in schools in defiance of Youngkin’s restrictions on divisive teaching.”

    It is worse than that. The Toolkit is blatently a device for indoctrinating and recruiting children into the BLM political movement. One of the Toolkit’s high school lesson plans in fact is titled, “Introduction to the Principles of the Black Lives Matter Movement”:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LbnXynTSqC0tvtfszYnpKjK9Zvrr1eEk9lAGRrRy8os/edit

    Whatever your opinion of BLM might be, political indoctrination does not belong in public schools. I also think the 13 Principles of the Black Lives Matter Movement, which you can find at the link, is inappropriate material for a K-12 curriculum.

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    1. What is bad about the course title?

      “Introduction to the Principles of the Black Lives Matter Movement”

      “Introduction” in a syllabus is applied to almost every course if it is the first course, an introductory course.
      If a major social movement is to studied, like suffrage, you should know what they are and their principles.

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      1. RE: “If a major social movement is to studied, like suffrage, you should know what they are and their principles.”

        BLM is not a major social movement. It is a political faction or an influence operation.

        Furthermore, K-12 students should not be studying major social movements. They should be learning history, which is different.

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        1. Women’s Suffrage wasn’t? KKK? Oathkeepers?

          Social movements from abolition to anti-abortion define our nation. You want to ignore them too?

          Mass demonstrations like the Right to Life in DC should ignored too? How about the 40 year battle to overturn Roe. Makes no sense unless you learn why, their tactics and their success.

          Prohibition? Civil Rights? MLK was not just an itinerant Black preacher. The gun lobby has had huge impact on Americans? Perhaps learning how its focus changed in the 80’s from gun safety and training to advocacy for more guns. Ignore that too?

          It’s all history.

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          1. “I don’t understand what you are asking.”

            I think the question is why is BLM not suitable for study while countless other social and/or political movements have been and continue to be?

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        2. Your attacks are all ad hominem. BLM is baaaad. Other than pejorative words you have not said what is the “radical ideology” that you do not want students to even know about or discuss.

          You want students to come out of school knowing history. Sure. A worthy goal. The real problem is that history has always been taught from a Eurocentric point of view. That is what is being challenged by CRT and “divisive” ideas and you don’t like it. Well, wake up and smell the coffee. The times they are a changin’

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          1. RE: “The real problem is that history has always been taught from a Eurocentric point of view.”

            So what? Eurocentric history is good enough for K-12.

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          2. “So what? Eurocentric history is good enough for K-12.”

            BINGO! Thanks for pulling back the veil.

            I will not go into the clear implications of what you think is appropriate for children to learn. You would not agree and most certainly would not be happy to see those implication in – let’s say – black and white.

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          3. “What is wrong with the Eurocentric point of view?”

            It leaves out too much of the history that got us here. And wasn’t it you who shared the fable of the blind men and the elephant the other day? That should answer your question.

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          4. Nothing, but since about 40% of our country, give take a bit, is not European is it so godawful threatening to hear their stories and massive contribution to our wealth and power.

            John scolded me for not seeing the Russian point of view in the invasion of Ukraine.

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          5. RE: “I will not go into the clear implications of what you think is appropriate for children to learn.”

            Of course you won’t. Better to pretend that you have a superior view by not saying anything.

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          6. “Better to pretend that you have a superior view by not saying anything.”

            Uh, my motivation was to try to keep things civil. The implications of your view about Eurocentric history are plain as day. I do not need to write them down.

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        3. RE: “I think the question is why is BLM not suitable for study while countless other social and/or political movements have been and continue to be?”

          I’m sure BLM is worthy of study, just not using the Toolkt, and not as part of a K-12 curriculum.

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          1. I believe this is high school only. And AP courses are college material.

            A bit arrogant to say “Eurocentric history is good enough for K-12”.

            Our population is changing from European to Asian, Hispanic and selected others. Ignore their history too. I know this is the super flash point of MAGA…REPLACEMENT.

            In my mind we can fight it until enough people are shot, or we can be smart and incorporate the newcomers. If we had done that during Reconstruction, I don’t think we would be so worried about BLM. And the freed slaves were, for all intents, newcomers even though many had long family roots going back centuries.

            Understanding, if not necessarily agreeing with, a movement like BLM will hopefully prepare our children for life in the US.

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          2. RE: “A bit arrogant to say ‘Eurocentric history is good enough for K-12’.”

            Not at all. The question is, What is the purpose of teaching history in K-12?

            I’d say the main purpose is to provide source material for practicing reading and writing. A formal history course might also impart a sense of the chronology and timespans of major events. I do not believe that children can benefit from the use of history to teach social justice. Hence, a Eurocentric history is more than adequate for K-12 in the schools of countries that the European expansion created.

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          3. “I’d say the main purpose is to provide source material for practicing reading and writing.”

            I would say that is a very restricted view, but for the sake of argument let’s say that you are 100% correct. Now, why is a Eurocentric history adequate for that purpose but an Afrocentric history is not? Both involve reading and writing, do they not? Or, how about a Native American take on history? Was America “discovered” in 1492 or was it invaded in 1492 by barbarous, greedy, losers out for gold and plunder?

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          4. “Would we study the KKK using a toolkit supplied by that organization in K-12?”
            Probably not, but it is now and always has been a terrorist organization. BLM is not. Your seeking to imply some sort of equivalence is evidence of the problem.

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          5. What is truly sad is that you do not see the equivalency in kind if not in power.

            Read BLM’s statements, they clearly believe “Blackness” to be superior to “Whiteness”

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          6. “I find BLM to be every bit as racist as the KKK.”

            LOL! Of course you do.
            It is Okay for you to speak with pride of European culture and civilization but when other groups do the same with theirs, they are racists. As Mr. Roberts would say . . . Got it.

            The point wasBLM is not a terrorist organization no matter what YOU think of them.

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          7. Here’s an experiment for you.

            Download the BLM Intro Lesson into a word processor and search and replace “Black” with “White” and then read it aloud in a public forum.

            Let me know how that works out.

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          8. “Here’s an experiment for you.”

            Context matters. History matters.

            So we would have to do your experiment in a universe where white people were a minority population that had been exploited, discriminated against, murdered, incarcerated and shunned for centuries by selfish and oppressive black people. Little hard to pull off.

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          9. What would be the context that would make those words right?

            People alive today are not guilty of the crimes of people long dead just because they are of the same race.

            People must be judged by what they do, not what others did.

            BLM is as racist as the KKK, it just hasn’t had the powered to act as the KKK did 100 years ago.

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          10. RE: “Now, why is a Eurocentric history adequate for that purpose but an Afrocentric history is not?”

            An Afrocentric history would be adequate for teaching reading and writing. But Africa’s primary contribution to the American experience is slavery.

            For students in the countries created by European expansion, the materials that trace from Plato to Thomas Jefferson are more relevant.

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          11. “ But Africa’s primary contribution to the American experience is slavery.”

            Without which we would not have become the agricultural powerhouse, especially cotton, until machines came on line. African paid with their lives to get here aboard slave ships. Then they paid with lives and labor to make us wealthy.

            Pretty ungrateful of you. But it sounds typical.

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          12. So, it would not have been better had Africans come to America as free immigrants like the Irish and the Italians?

            They would not have come here as slaves had their fellow Africans not sold them.

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          13. “An Afrocentric history would be adequate for teaching reading and writing”

            You said that was ALL that teaching of history in K-12 need do. Now you are arguing that somehow Eurocentric history is better? You are going in circles.

            “For students in the countries created by European expansion, the materials that trace from Plato to Thomas Jefferson are more relevant.”

            Those materials passed through Africa on their way to Thomas Jefferson. During what we used to call the Dark Ages in Europe, the achievements of early Western Civilization were kept alive for centuries by the universities and scholars of Islamic Africa.

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    2. Why not share the link to the actual toolkit shared by the VEA for teachers to use as they see fit and with different suggestions for different grade levels? What is appropriate for a senior in high school probably is not appropriate for a Fourth grader. And the actual materials recognize that with suggestions for different levels. Here it is . . .

      Click to access 2023-BLM-Toolkit_FV.pdf

      You take umbrage at the principles of the BLM movement that might be discussed? Why? How is this “radical ideology” different in any material way from, say, Christian ideology. It seems to be mainly variations on the Christian theme of “Love one another.” Radical?

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      1. RE: “Why not share the link to the actual toolkit shared by the VEA for teachers to use as they see fit and with different suggestions for different grade levels?”

        Because the link is contained in the WSJ article.

        RE: “You take umbrage at the principles of the BLM movement that might be discussed? Why?”

        As I stated: I find that the Toolkit is blatently a device for indoctrinating and recruiting children into the BLM political movement.

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        1. So studying something is indoctrination? You must think that as soon as students learn what BLM is REALLY all about, you people will suffer political damage. You may be right. The more you know the less likely you are to be fooled.

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          1. RE: “So studying something is indoctrination?”

            Studying the BLM curriculum is indoctrination.

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          2. No. It is education. Ignoring BLM is like teaching WW2 with no mention of mass incarceration of American citizens because they were of Japanese descent.

            History is not a John Wayne movie. The good guys are not always that good.

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          3. RE: “Ignoring BLM is like teaching WW2 with no mention of mass incarceration of American citizens because they were of Japanese descent.”

            Including BLM is like teaching the Hitler Youth.

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      2. RE: “How is this ‘radical ideology’ different in any material way from, say, Christian ideology?”

        Funny you should ask, since your comment at the top of this thread complains about teaching religion in schools.

        My answer is: Public schools shouldn’t teach “Christian ideology,” whatever that is. Moreover, a proper intellectual understanding of Christianity might require college-level studies, but I think it requires far more than that. But that is not the topic of discussion here.

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        1. “Funny you should ask, since your comment at the top of this thread complains about teaching religion in schools.”

          You are dodging the question. You call BLM “radical ideology” but cannot say how it is significantly different from the Christian ideology shared by a majority of Americans. Unless you can do so, then you are simply mud-slinging or name-calling when you call BLM “radical.” As noted above, that is essentially the ad homenem fallacy.

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        2. RE: ” You call BLM ‘radical ideology’ but cannot say how it is significantly different from the Christian ideology shared by a majority of Americans.”

          You are a liar. “Radical ideology” is not a term I have used.

          If you want to know why I consider the BLM Toolkit to be indoctrinational, notice the words in the 13 BLM Principles I referenced. Every one of the principles begins with, “We are…”

          I doubt that K-12 children have the intellectual maturity to distance themselves from in-group/out-group programming of this type.

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          1. “You are a liar. “Radical ideology” is not a term I have used.”

            You did not use the term “radical ideology” but the title of this thread does and you have given full-throated support to Dr. Tabor’s opinions. And opined that it is even worse than Dr. Tabor said. So, the idea that studying this BLM material is injecting “radical ideology” into the schools is your position as well – whether you explicitly said that or not.

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  3. BLM is a significant social moment. Ignoring it won’t make it go away. Not anymore than a myriad of social movement in our history.

    Understanding why it has such a broad reach in addition to the controversies brought on by detractors is not indoctrination. Certainly not anymore than learning about the gun lobby, the ACLU, SPLC, Focus on the Family, the various militias.

    You want kids to come out ignorant of anything controversial or even liberal? We are a mixed bag nation.

    And most significant changes to our society have been preceded by backlashes and objections. The Women’s Suffrage, Civil Rights legislation, Gay rights, the disability advocates, the NRA, United Farm Workers, etc.

    You want schools to ignore those interest groups too? You want the younger generation ignorant of lives and times in our modern era?

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    1. RE: “You want kids to come out ignorant of anything controversial or even liberal?”

      If you insist on putting it that way, Yes.

      I’d put it differently: The educational objectives of K-12 are not the same as the educational objectives of university. It is inappropriate to apply college-level material in a high-school setting, and especially inappropriate to do so in public schools which cater to students who don’t have other options.

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        1. Don’t be ridiculous. Do you advocate teaching everything there is to know to every child of every age all the time?

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          1. “Don’t be ridiculous.”
            The schools are there to transform children into functioning adults with the knowledge they need to care for themselves and to be citizens in our democracy. The schools do that with age appropriate materials as the students progress through the grades. Nobody is suggesting a change to that.

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          2. The fish bit pretty well this morning.

            It is not the job of the school system to disrupt the traditional family and replace it with a communal village.

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          3. “It is not the job of the school system to disrupt the traditional family and replace it with a communal village”

            Who says that it is? Read more carefully . . .

            “11. Black Villages: We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.”

            NOTE : “to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.” And don’t completely and deliberately ignore Number 10. “Black families. . . .”

            What you call the “traditional family” is kind of a tell. You mean the “traditional European family.”
            Other cultures have different “traditional” structures that encompass the family and extend the idea to neighbors. Kind of like Christian communities and churches who pride themselves on taking care of each other. Or as Hillary Clinton put it, “It takes a village.” But when black people talk about the same thing, it is “Marxist,” “radical” and “divisive?”

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          4. “Ownership of children by the collective is about as Marxist as you can get.”

            Your reading comprehension seems limited. There is not claim of “ownership” of anybody’s children.

            What part of helping each other “to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.” are you unwilling or unable to understand? Are Christian congregations who work hard to help other families in their church “Marxist?” Try to keep it real.

            But, to be fair, many of you people think public schools are “Marxist.” So there is that.

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          5. I just went here a few minutes ago, trust but verify.

            I did not see anything missing from this morning.

            Click to access 2023-BLM-Toolkit_FV.pdf

            I think you are not being truthful. Maybe you went to the wrong link, so there is that possibility, but you said you saw it earlier today. Fish story perhaps? I’ll bet you didn’t read the cover letter that ends with:

            “ Please review this resource to help facilitate conversations about race, including classroom-appropriate lesson plans, guides on how to have tough conversations with colleagues, students, and more. Additionally, we are ready to provide training and assistance in organizing a local team.”

            So this whole whiney brouhaha is about introducing the plans to those who will determine what parts may change or be eliminated. It’s not on the agenda even. A proposal.

            Really Don, this just feeds the conspiracies. We certainly don’t need more of that.

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          6. Go to page 14, in Mini-Lesson: Introduction to the Principles of
            the Black Lives Matter Movement and click on the google doc link for the lesson plan.

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          7. DO you advocate against APPROPRIATE introductions, based on grade level, to concepts and invite critical thinking skills? Or are you advocating for every one to be taught what YOU believe in as being true?

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          8. RE: “DO you advocate against APPROPRIATE introductions, based on grade level, to concepts and invite critical thinking skills?”

            After reviewing it, I do not find that the BLM Toolkit teaches critical thinking skills. I think it teaches in-group/out-group politics.

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          9. “ I think it teaches in-group/out-group politics.”

            Your opinion, of course.

            Recent American history would not be complete by ignoring the Right to Life movement. Its impact has been, to say the least, extraordinary. It determined the outcomes of the last two presidential elections.

            Riots, bombings, lobbying, the full Monty. In addition to shifting the judicial benches to the right. Over 40 years.

            Would that be indoctrination by the Christian right if covered in HS History? You would have to define the Right to Life movement for a start. The why’s, wherefore’s, philosophy and agenda.

            I don’t have a problem with that.

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          10. RE: “The schools are there to transform children into functioning adults with the knowledge they need to care for themselves and to be citizens in our democracy.”

            No one needs to possess knowledge of BLM to become able to care for themselves or function as citizens in our democracy.

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          11. “No one needs to possess knowledge of BLM to become able to care for themselves or function as citizens in our democracy.”

            Says who?

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          12. Calm down.

            Of course I don’t think grade level should be ignore. But HS is not kindergarten. Juniors and seniors are often helping to support families and they are just a year or two from college. They can take it without being brainwashed. It is time to move from ignoring anything but Washington’s cherry tree story. That is myth, not history.

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          13. RE: “Your opinion, of course.”

            Based on examining the materials.

            RE: “Would that be indoctrination by the Christian right if covered in HS History?”

            That depends. Are the lesson plans prepared by a Christian-right PAC and feature in-group/out-group programming?

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          14. School vouchers that allow parents to take their children out of public schools to be indoctrinated into Christian -only history? _n-group/out-group thinking, for sure.

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          15. RE: “They can take it without being brainwashed.”

            I don’t believe that. But why expose children to brainwashing at all?

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          16. RE: “I note that the lesson plan files linked in the toolkit have been deleted.”

            The URLs given in the Toolkit PDF file may include a hyphen at a line break. You have to copy-and-paste the URL, then manually delete the hyphen to retrieve the lesson plan.

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          17. I posted a link that includes detail lesson plans for several grade levels.

            I have no problem, but maybe I am missing something .

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          18. Nope, when you can read it, it’s even worse.

            Pure indoctrination.

            Refer to the experiment I suggested and imagine that being part of the curriculum.

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      1. “If you insist on putting it that way, Yes.”

        But non-controversial and conservative is okay?

        Of course not..

        John, we are several generations apart from HS. We have 17, 18 year olds starting movements and running for office. Finland has a 26 year old PM.

        The world is not ours anymore. It belongs to the young. And, frankly, we’re are leaving a bit of a mess. They have to solve a lot of problems. And often we are getting in the way.

        We are going probably debate the worthiness of two 80+ years old candidates for the presidency. They are both going to die in a few years, I would say right now that my grandchild deserves all the information he can muster to take over the reins.
        Critical thinking rules. Facts are at anyone’s fingertips, literally, today.

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        1. RE: “But non-controversial and conservative is okay?”

          What in the world are you even talking about?

          RE: “The world is not ours anymore. It belongs to the young. And, frankly, we’re are leaving a bit of a mess. They have to solve a lot of problems. And often we are getting in the way.”

          You are certainly right about that. One of the problems we are dumping on children today is a lousy education. Adding BLM to the K-12 curriculum only worsens the problem.

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          1. “ RE: “You want kids to come out ignorant of anything controversial or even liberal?”

            “If you insist on putting it that way, Yes.”

            So I thought I would see if the opposite is okay: that is, non-controversial and conservative.

            Nothing nefarious or setting traps.

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  4. I bet racist Fairfax public schools will be the first to mandate use of the toolkit seeing as how they very overtly discriminate against whites and Asians. First they failed to notify white and Asian students of earned honors for “diversity” purposes. Then they sent out eligibility letters about college prep guidance, courses and assistance that specifically excluded whites and asians. So pushing a far left wing agenda of phony modern day oppressors, anal sex for kids and pretending to be the opposite sex is cool fits right into the sick minds of their school board.

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    1. Bob, every post ends with sex for “kids”.

      We are not talking at all about that, plus goats have no say so anyway except among themselves.

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      1. RE: “Bob, every post ends with sex for ‘kids’.”

        Actually, we are. It is in the lesson plans that BLM’s Toolkit makes available.

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        1. Sex with goats? Wow?

          Is that “flyover” country? (I put that in quotes because some consider that an insult according to one who shall remain anonymous but his name rhymes with “gone”.)

          Disclaimer:😇

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        2. What are you bringing up goats for? You want to add sex with goats to the toolkit as a high school topic or something?

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          1. Good Lord, conservative have no sense of humor, irony or sarcasm unless it involves guns.

            Subtlety is not their flavor.

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          2. RE: “Subtlety is not their flavor.”

            Pro tip: “Subtlety” cancels communication. If you want people to understand you, be explicit and choose your words carefully.

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          3. Thank you. Now, my style is to point out the absurd and rather than nasty words, I try to
            Invoke some levity and civility. Some take themselves way too seriously. IMO

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          4. “Climate, COVID, welfare, gun control, race…”

            Ah, there is your problem. You think your extremist opinions are the measure of what is “right.” A more accurate response would have been . . .

            “In case you haven’t noticed, those morons keep turning out to agree with me.”

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          1. So you think teaching “tolerance” of anal sex is appropriate for children? REALLY???

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          2. I said, read carefully now, “technique”.

            Tolerance doesn’t go into details that probably most teens already know about.

            In the early fifties, I was in Kindergarten and we had classmate with a harelip. One day I called him, along with other 5 year olds, Johnny Flatnose. As a chant with a small crowd.

            My K teacher was a petite woman, ancient for us, but probably 30 plus. She called me over and talked me in such a disappointing and sad tone how I would feel were the tables turned.

            No punishment or threats, just compassion.

            Never forgot that lesson.

            We need more of that, IMO.

            BTW I don’t think I could tolerate anal sex. Probably too painful. I can’t even take a rectal thermometer without wincing.

            You?

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          3. Been there, done that. But, unfortunately you got the t-shirt. Written with humor, not malice..

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        1. You lefty people pushing anal sex “awareness” on children is a fact you can’t downplay or gaslight about. The sickness of the left to push this perverted crap on them is what is disturbing. I won’t back down calling you on it because it is your agenda and your patronizing won’t change that.

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          1. Hey, my friend, you can call me out all day long, and you do. But I have little control, so enjoy…posting, not…well you know.😇

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          2. RE: “The sickness of the left to push this perverted crap on them is what is disturbing. ”

            Well said. Mr. Rothman scoffed at the idea the BLM’s lesson plans contain sexual content. Apparently, the opinions he wishes to convey are not based on the actual material. This is the level of perversion we are dealing with.

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          3. You don’t believe I saw the lesson plans? Again I posted links, same one WSJ used.

            Level of perversion is what MAGA is famous for. Except they pervert our country and tried to force Congress to stop certification. It failed, but that is true perversion

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          4. “Well said. Mr. Rothman scoffed at the idea the BLM’s lesson plans contain sexual content.”

            I did not scoff. I pulled up the material and used search functons to find this “sexual content.” I could not find it. I asked you to cite specifically where it was. You did not respond. The obvious conclusion from your silence is that you are twisting some lesson on tolerance into something that it is not. If that is not correct, where IS this “sexual content” of which you speak? Cite?

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          5. “We have wood chippers enough for all.”

            You like the idea of feeding people to woodchippers. You fantasize about it frequently. Nothing sick to see here. Move along. Move along.

            By the way, Mr. Original Intent, before cracking that “joke” again please read the Constitution. Start with the Eighth Amendment.

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          6. It only violates the 8th Amendment if you put them in feet first.

            I have zero tolerance for child rape, I guess the left is a bit more tolerant than I am on that issue.

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          7. “If he were 40, maybe. But you’re talking about teenagers.”

            How about 35? 22? 18? At what age does raping children become intolerable and deserving of your woodchippers?

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          8. The age of consent, and the age differences that amount to statutory rape vary from state to state.

            In Virginia, it is unlawful for anyone over 18 to have sex with someone 13 to 17 years old, and for anyone to have sex with someone under 13. If both parties are under 18, there is the “Romeo and Julliet” exception if the age difference is under 3 years.

            So, in Virgina, it is not rape for a 17 year old to have sex with a 15 year old.

            I’d reserve the woodchippers for a 10 year age difference for teenage victims and anyone having sex with a pre-teen as a rule of thumb.

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          9. “I have zero tolerance for child rape, I guess the left is a bit more tolerant than I am on that issue.”

            Doubling down on your sick fantasies I see.

            Civilized countries do not have capital punishment for any crime much less the cruel executions of your fevered puerile imagination. You would like it in Saudi Arabia. They deal with people they don’t like in the ways that you would wish.

            As for the left’s tolerance, I think you will find that it has repeatedly been “the left” that has hounded the actual child molesters and rapists into the open as their “conservative” institutions tried to protect them from accountability.

            As for your zero tolerance approach you had no trouble supporting a degenerate who openly fantasized about future sex with a child and bragged to Howard Stern about prowling through teenaged girls dressing rooms. So, as usual, you are kidding only yourself.

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