The supposed party of personal liberty, AGAIN, wants to get between doctors and their patients.
Someone please tell me the madness will stop. I probably won’t believe you, but some reassurances sure would be nice.
Idaho GOP wants to make administering COVID vaccines a crime.
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2 delegates are the entire Idaho GOP? Must be a very small legislature.
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You make similar claims about Democrats. REGULARLY.
This is just another attempt to subvert choice.
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Yeah, well there were too few Brown Shirts on the streets of Germany to be taken seriously as well. These people are like the super rich. No matter how much money/power they have, it will never be enough.
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So, from here in we can assume that AOC and the Squad speak for the entire Democratic party?
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You have done it at various times already. What would be the difference now? Are you denying that?
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Whataboutism is getting a good workout today.
Trump, to his credit, did fast track the vaccines. Complaints were mainly by those who felt it wasn’t going out fast enough or to the right people immediately. (Sound close to home?)
Last month DeSantis wanted to investigate the vaccine folks, now these yahoos want to ban these lifesavers.
WTF, over.
I can’t wait for the next pandemic. Conspiracies love the fertile soil in the MAGA brains. It should be enough to start the right wing wish for a civil war. They’ve been clamoring for years. I guess it’s all hat and zero cattle.
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“Whataboutism is getting a good workout today.”
It is as I expected. The “what-abouts” are in full throat today.
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I am unaware of DeSantis wanting to deny anyone vaccine who wanted it, though he has opposed mandates.
With what we know now, requiring anyone under 20 to be vaccinated is counterproductive to the point of malparctice.
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“I am unaware of DeSantis wanting to deny anyone vaccine “…
Len didn’t indicate that. He only mentioned the FACT that DeSantis wanted to investigate the “vaccine folks”.
This story has NOTHING to do with mandates. It is about some members of the GOP in Idaho wanting to criminalize the administration of mRNA vaccines. Your comment is an avoidance of the question.
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I wasn’t the one who raised DeSantis.
Investigating the vaccine advocates is a good thing.
I cannot understand why the original vaccine was included in the Bi-valent version. It can only make the Antigenic Original Sin problem worse.
Also, the push to vaccinate children is worse than pointless.
I don’t want to think it is profit driven but if there is an innocent explanation I would love to hear it. It certainly isn’t medically sound.
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“ Investigating the vaccine advocates is a good thing.”
With a grand jury? How about a panel of epidemiologists, doctors and other players in the struggle with COVID. Then if problems are found to be criminal, set up the grand jury.
In the early days of the pandemic, healthcare professionals were heroes. 20 hour days, risking infections, short of supplies…remember?
Lately, they are quitting or demanding decent pay and hours. And in some places they are vilified.
Americans don’t treat allies in war very well either. Those that helped us in our various adventures are all too often left behind when the shooting stops. Well, that is not far off from this situation. “Help us in dire need”, we said. “Thank you from our very hearts”, we offered. “Please vaccinate as fast as you can”, went the cry.
Now? “Screw you, we think you are bad because not everything came out perfectly. Grand jury time you criminal scum.
Nice, huh? Kinda brings tears to my eyes.
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I would agree that a reexamination carried out by experts would be better,
Where is it?
The CDC and FDA are the ones needing investigation.
Absent some legal compulsion, are they going to investigate themselves?
I want to see Moderna and Pfizer turn out to be the good guys. But why are we still using the vaccine for the extinct version of the virus? Why the compulsion to vaccinate children against their best interests, now that we know the vaccines don’t stop transmission?
Other than a Grand Jury, how do we compel the FDA and CDC to tell the truth?
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“I wasn’t the one who raised DeSantis.”
I never said YOU did. I pointed out that Len mentioned DeSantis’ call to investigate “vaccine folks”.
And the push to vaccinate children has waned, yet you just have to being it up. BUt if parents desire to vaccinate their children, they have the right to do so.
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Certainly parents, with informed consent, have the right to get their children vaccinated.
Considering that the risk if the vaccine is greater than the risk of COVID for children, and that being vaccinated for the extinct variant decreases their immune response when they get infected with the current variant, I can’t imagine why anyone would.
Thing is, the current CDC position does not properly inform them.
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“ DeSantis called for a statewide grand jury to investigate the alleged “crimes and wrongdoings” surrounding the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 mRNA vaccines.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/12/24/gov-desantis-questionable-call-for-grand-jury-to-investigate-pfizer-moderna-covid-19-vaccines/?sh=5627d32e5384
Yeah, prosecute the people who worked 20 hour days to save lives in the worst pandemic in recent history.
Yes, there are a lot of players with interests ranging from scientific, humanitarian, political and financial. And yes, we need to keep our eyes open as things are learned. But a nation of 100’s of millions can’t turn on a dime.
But we are a very litigious society. And everyone has a beef. So we get the DeSantis’s who play to American fears or even exacerbates them for political power.
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I’m as big a vaccine fan as you’re going to find, but there are questions that need to be answered.
Vaccinating anyone not immune compromised under 20 is counterproductive, so why the big push?
Why is the original form of the vaccine still in the Bivalent?
Why is the CDC still pushing vaccines at the expense of therapeutics?
The CDC isn’t answering, so perhaps they must be compelled to do so.
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Go get ‘em. I am just happy to be alive, a lot of folks didn’t make it.
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When AOC and the squad start trying to criminalize vaccines, get back to me.
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If Idaho elects to ban MRNA vaccines, more power to them. That’s democracy.
As for the rationale given — that the Covid MRNA vaccines never completed robust Phase III trials — I’d say that’s a debatable point. At least, it is valid for a state legislature to entertain the concept and even limit MRNA vaccine use by law, if it so chooses.
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If Michigan elects to enshrine Abortion Rights, then more power to them. That’s democracy.
” I’d say that’s a debatable point”
It is addressed in the write up. It doesn’t deter the radical right movement to ban health saving medicines because, well, when it comes to health care, there should be no choice, in their feeble little minds.
“At least, it is valid for a state legislature to entertain the concept and even limit MRNA vaccine use by law, if it so chooses.”
There is ZERO validity in that statement – IMO.
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RE: “It is addressed in the write up.”
It is addressed in many other write ups, too. There is no shortage of doctors who think the MRNA vaccines for Covid are more harmful than beneficial, at least from the point of view of public policy.
RE: “There is ZERO validity in that statement – IMO.”
Nobody cares. But if you want to justify your opinion, tell us why democratic processes needn’t be respected in this instance.
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One word: Choice. This is another instance of radical Republicans wanting to get between doctors and patients by CRIMINALIZING the administration of PROVEN vaccines.
Vaccine mandates have ended. This proposal is nothing more than a sideshow. What kind of proposals are those two representatives in Idaho making to improve the lives of their constituents, or protecting their rights. This proposal is an attack on the rights of patients to take the best course necessary in their lives in consultation with their doctors. My a familiar ring to that statement. If you don’t want to take an mRNA vaccine, then don’t; no one is forcing you to do so. If you don’t want an abortion, don’t have one. Don’t legislate YOUR morality on those who may disagree with you.
Don, with support from you, pitched a fit over his doctor not being able to prescribe horse de-wormer because the FDA didn’t recommend it. There was no threat of misdemeanor charges, just that doctors not prescribe it.
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“ There is no shortage of doctors who think the MRNA vaccines for Covid are more harmful than beneficial, at least from the point of view of public policy.”
There is no shortage of a lot of ideas that may not be good ones.
Catholic dioceses as well as SBC churches and organizations have been exposed to keep, transfer and protect pedophiles “posing” (my take, at least) as men of the cloth to gain access to children. Over the years thousands of lives have been affected, damaged or destroyed. Shall we ban priests and ministers? At least from the point of view of public policy. After all we have to pay, directly or indirectly for the repair of shattered lives.
True, we have First Amendment protections for religion, but pedophilia is not a protected sacrament.
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RE: “There is no shortage of a lot of ideas that may not be good ones.”
I submit that belief in the efficacy and the safety of Covid MRNA vaccines is an example of that.
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RE: “This is another instance of radical Republicans wanting to get between doctors and patients by CRIMINALIZING the administration of PROVEN vaccines.”
As stated, I don’t accept that the vaccines are PROVEN. For what its worth, I agree that doctors should be free to prescribe medicines according to their professional judgement, but I also believe that public health policy is a legitimate function of democratic governance.
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“, I don’t accept that the vaccines are PROVEN.”
No one cares what you accept or not. You are not a doctor, a public health professional or anyone but a layman who dallies in conspiracies.
And criminalizing vaccine administration goes against the idea that doctors and patients should be able to decide what is best for them. Not some looney tunes legislators who think the sky is green, the grass is purple and the sun rises and sets in a pair of VERY large white tennis shorts in Florida.
Getting between patient and his or her doctor. This refrain sounds SOOOO familiar. What other ways do politicians attempt to get between doctors and patients?
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