How Russia does propaganda

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As Russia’s “firehose of lies” about its invasion of Ukraine loses is effectiveness against the truth, they turn to more subtle means to achieve their propaganda goals and mess with your mind. This article gives a good overview of how they – and their enablers – are going about that. Many of their tactics will be very familiar to regular readers of this forum.

30 thoughts on “How Russia does propaganda

          1. I read it and I don’t dispute it. What I want is clarification of your statement: “Many of their tactics will be very familiar to regular readers of this forum.”

            Please tell us which tactics YOU have noticed here in the forum, and give us examples. Do you not stand behind your own assertions?

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          2. Okay, if you insist. Here are just a few . . .

            “1. Tactics to undermine/relativize moral norms:
            Presenting Russian war criminals’ point of view (or giving them an opportunity to express that themselves) without countering their line of argument.”

            YOU are a channel for their lying lies ALL THE TIME.

            “2. Tactics to instill fear
            Russia is too strong to be defeated with any means, and they will retaliate with nuclear weapons”

            YOU again

            “3. Tactics to undermine legal norms and aimed at revisionism of history
            Historical falsehood: Crimea should be left with Russia – it belonged to Russia . . .
            Conspiracy: The war is a scheme instilled by the Nazi West that wanted to weaken Russia”

            YOU Again.

            “4. Tactics to personally discredit pro-Ukrainian politicians”
            YOU again and again and again. Ukraine must have something on Biden, blah, blah, blah.

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          3. Please be specific?

            Really?

            My first reaction was the right one. You are never going to emerge from your bubble of nonsense. Nothing I can add will have any effect on a “mind” such as yours. But for the record, you – and one other I could name – have repeatedly . . .

            1. Linked to the work of known Russian propagandists.
            2. Said that Ukraine can never beat Russia militarily.
            3. Said we risk nuclear war by opposing Putin’s aggression.
            4. Accused the West of provoking Russia and defending Nazis.
            5. Said that parts of Ukraine are “rightfully” parts of Russia.
            6. Said that Ukraine is a fascist regime.
            7. Impugned President Biden’s motives for assisting Ukraine.

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          4. Finally. I was hoping for quotations or at least links to posts but I don’t mind responding to the unsubstantiated figments of your imagination:

            RE: “Linked to the work of known Russian propagandists.”

            Is that a fact? Name one. I bet you can’t.

            RE: “Said that Ukraine can never beat Russia militarily.”

            I have indeed said that. We see the proof of it every day in the reports from the battlefield.

            RE: “Said we risk nuclear war by opposing Putin’s aggression.”

            Who can deny it? Even Stumble Joe has said the same.

            RE: “Accused the West of provoking Russia and defending Nazis.”

            This is demonstrably true, as any number of sources from professor John Mershiemer to the Rand Corporation can show.

            RE: “Said that parts of Ukraine are ‘rightfully’ parts of Russia.”

            This one you are making up. I have said that after Russia incorporated the four oblasts their identity as a part of Russia is now a fact of life.

            RE: “Said that Ukraine is a fascist regime.”

            I have said exactly this, and consider it to be a defensible observation. I can provide citations from western media if you need them.

            RE: “Impugned President Biden’s motives for assisting Ukraine.”

            Biden’s motives don’t need to be impuned because the man suffers from dementia. He is not capable of having legitimate motives of his own.


            None of your points exemplifies Russian propaganda tactics. I suppose that Putin sometimes observes that the sky is blue. If someone in the Forum also says the sky is blue, that doesn’t qualify as Russian propaganda.

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          5. Changing leadership in the middle of an invasion is NOT the sign of a successful campaign. (Ask the Indianapolis Colts about changing leaders mid-season.)

            From CNN reporting:
            “Russia’s defense minister has appointed Valery Gerasimov as commander of the Joint Group of Forces leading the country’s so-called “special military operation” in Ukraine.

            Gerasimov replaces Sergei Surovikin, who had been appointed to the role on Oct. 8, 2022, and was in charge of Russian forces during their retreat from large swaths of Ukraine’s Kherson region. Surovikin will now serve as a deputy commander, according to a statement from the Russian Defense Ministry.

            “On 11 January 2023, Russian Defence Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu assigns new leadership of special military operation,” the ministry said Wednesday on its official Telegram channel.

            “Chief of General Staff General of the Army Valery Gerasimov has been assigned the commander of the Joint Group of Forces,” it said.

            “The deputy commanders are: the Commander-in-Chief of Aerospace Forces General of the Army Sergei Surovikin, the Commander-in-Chief of the Army General of the Army Oleg Salyukov, as well as the Deputy Chief of General Staff of Russian Armed Forces Colonel General Aleksey Kim,” it added.

            The ministry said that the changes were necessary because of “the amplified range of tasks, the necessity of closer cooperation between services and branches of the Armed Forces, as well as of improving the quality of all types of maintenance and efficiency of commanding the groups of forces.””

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          6. RE: “Changing leadership in the middle of an invasion is NOT the sign of a successful campaign.”

            It is NOT the sign of a failing campaign, either. As I understand it, the changes create a more streamlined organization, replacing four functional commands with three. Some are speculating that the re-org is preparation for a major offensive that Russia will launch in March.

            I don’t know about that. Today’s big news from the battlefield is Russia’s victory in Soledar and continuing encroachments around Bahkmud

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          7. “As I understand it, the changes create a more streamlined organization, replacing four functional commands with three. Some are speculating that the re-org is preparation for a major offensive that Russia will launch in March.”

            As YOU understand it? I have seen posts form you claiming a superior military mind over anyone else here and even those of ACTAUL battle-tested generals (Mark Hertling comes to mind).

            Some are also pro-Putin puppets who believe that Ukraine does not have a right it exist as an independent country. (I include YOU in that camp.)

            And the “victory” in Soledar is not yet complete. Kind of like the entire invasion. Russian HOPES for victor, but has yet to actually achieve it.

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  1. Bravo, Paul! You have far more patience with bullshit than I do. I’m over responding to diatribes of the mentally ill and morally bankrupt. They are like apes looking in a mirror, unable to recognize what they’re seeing. No amount of pointing it out will help.

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          1. Impressive comeback. Your panties are so wadded up they have clogged your brain, causing you to lose the ability to answer anyone’s questions and to attempt to hurt me by calling me a child. If you look back, you will see that YOU are the child. Currently in desperate need of a diaper change.

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          2. A grown man would have ignored it. Even though the description seems apt. And the rest of her comment is accurate, as well. – IMO

            As far as improving the discussion, it is impossible to do when you refuse to believe anyone’s sources but your own. Even though they have been proven to be unreliable, or Putin Propaganda sources. You keep trying to feed it to us. But we are not Oliver Twist asking for more gruel. We challenge you, and you go to pieces when the challenge is accurate.

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          3. “Blame Ms. Radford. ”

            You were not called an “ape.” Ms. Radford offered an analogy that aptly and accurately predicted your response to the mirror being held up for you – the article about how Russian propaganda works.

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  2. The article started ok but quickly devolved into propaganda itself. There were some things I found fair in the beginning but when the weird examples started it was clear there was no balance and only fingerpointing into the wind. I didn’t see anything in it that was claimed by anyone in this forum, only fiery smug accusations. I guess, according to leftists, there is no room for balance in any debate, only the lefts version is acceptable. In my opinion, most in this forum think we have no business supporting the war or supporting either side but only provide personal overview of the situation as they see it. Others call people apes. Nice…

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    1. …”according to leftists, there is no room for balance in any debate”…

      There you go again, down the one-way street of only the left is ever wrong and the right is always right. You are guilty of what you accuse others of.

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    1. To quote someone who does not like his sources questioned . . . Uh, where is he wrong?

      There is not a single theme of Russian propaganda identified that you have not parroted here.
      Maybe you do not like this piece because so much of what you have been saying is called out for what it is? At best Russian spin. At worst, Russian lies.

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        1. “I see nothing that justifies our involvement.”
          Of course not. You hate democracy and love strong man dictators.

          Ukrainian “propaganda” says there is an invading Russian army on their soil. Yes, indeed, I do believe that.

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