Biden Should “Back Off” Armageddon Language, Quickly Get Russians To Negotiating Table: Adm. Mullen
Russia appears to be initiating a new, more aggressive phase of its war plan in Ukraine. This makes Adm. Mullen’s advice to begin preparing for a diplomatic solution even more urgent than it might have been as a response to President Biden’s reckless rhetoric about Armageddon.
Zelensky had been trying to get face to face negotiations with Putin since he took office in 2019. Putin rejected any such overtures since that would be an admission that the Russian military was fighting in Donbas.
Negotiating with a despot who is getting desperate might be either counterproductive or fruitful.
I’d offer a settlement like this: divide Donetsk and Luhansk. Make the half closest to Russia Russian and finance the repatriation of Russian living there into the new part. Include those living in Crimea itching to have Putin as their leader to join them.
There, see that wasn’t hard. It solves the problem of “persecuted” Russians in Ukraine and makes Ukraine mostly whole again.
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RE: “Putin rejected any such overtures since that would be an admission that the Russian military was fighting in Donbas.”
Who was the Russian military fighting? It was the Ukrainian military. In fact, the Minsk agreements had been in effect for five years before Zelensky was elected and the ceasefire they required was never enacted. I’d say Putin’s rejection of Zelenski was as good as Zelenski’s rejection of Putin.
RE: “Negotiating with a despot who is getting desperate might be either counterproductive or fruitful.”
There is no sign Putin is desperate. Biden and Zelenski, however, appear to be. They are the ones talking about preemptive nuclear strikes on Moscow and the possibility of Armageddon.
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“ Who was the Russian military fighting? It was the Ukrainian military.”
What was Russian military doing in Ukraine? Invasion.
Minsk was toast after 2015. Ukraine originally said it would allow the districts of the two oblasts that had the most Russians to gain autonomy. Putin obviously wanted it all.
Yes it is a mess, but as oft stated, Russia could end it all. Pull out of Ukraine and pay for damages. Simple, but probably not face saving.
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RE: “Russia could end it all.”
So could the U.S./Ukraine. The four oblasts and Crimea will never be returned to Ukraine. We can either accept this and move on, or try to take them back, starting WWIII.
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Please explain why you people are so eager to reward (and thus encourage) criminal fascist aggression.
In my opinion we are at a place similar to the mid 1930s. Failing to stand up to a weak fascist bully state allowed WW2 to happen. If Hitler had been humiliated by the international community, he would have not achieved absolute power.
We should keep the military and economic pressure on Russia until Putin is gone – one way or another.
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RE: “We should keep the military and economic pressure on Russia until Putin is gone – one way or another.”
It won’t work. The U.S./Nato is already out of military supplies to offer and the economic pressure we apply is ineffective. Put isn’t going anywhere.
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Your opinion is noted as, what’s the word? Oh, yeah. DELUSIONAL.
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“We can either accept this and move on, or try to take them back, starting WWIII.”
Which NATO would win in a month or two. Our “woke” militaries would quickly annihilate Putin’s hapless conscripts. Not my opinion, alone. Outspoken and knowledgeable pundits on Russian TV have acknowledged that obvious and inevitable outcome if Putin starts WWIII.
Putin has nothing left but bluff. His struggle now is to survive personally and each Ukraine success brings his last day closer.
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RE: “Which NATO would win in a month or two.”
That’s doubtful. Ukraine had the largest, best equipped military in Europe. Russia has almost destroyed it in 7 months using an inferior force.
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Russia was considered the second most powerful military in the world. Why was that the inferior force?
https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_Ukraine_vs_Russia
5 times the number of active military personnel.
6 times as many tanks.
5 times as much total artillery, with 7 times as much rocket artillery.
17 times as many aircraft.
Russia had the numbers. What they did not have was motivation, trained personnel and skilled generals. But it does have a megalomaniac for a leader.
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Wait one GD minute. You spent the first part of the invasion talking about how easy it will be for Russia to overwhelm Ukraine by sheer numbers. NOW you are claiming that Ukraine has the largest best equipped military in Europe.
There are no hip boats high enough to stay above your constant flow of sewage.
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“Ukraine had the largest best equipped military in Europe”
Before the invasion,
Russia had 1,014,000 active duty military. Ukraine had 209,000.
Russia had 2,000,000 reservists. Ukraine had 900,000.
Russia had 554,000 paramilitary. Ukraine had 102,000
And your claim that Ukraine’s military has been destroyed is laughable on its face. They are the ones now pushing the fight. And it is Russia’ military that does not know which way is up.
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RE: “Before the invasion…”
Why do you compare apples to oranges? ALL of Ukraine’s military was in Ukraine at the start of the war; only 20% of Russia’s military crossed the border to engage in operations. In-country, Ukrainian forces outnumbered Russian forces 3-to-1 at the start of the conflict.
RE: “And your claim that Ukraine’s military has been destroyed is laughable on its face. They are the ones now pushing the fight.”
The Ukrainian offensive stalled out about a week ago and today more than a dozen Ukrainian cities, including the capital, were hit with Russian cruise missles. Doesn’t sound much like “pushing the fight” to me.
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Cruise missiles WASTED on civilian targets is all the evidence anyone should need of the desperate state of the Russian war effort.
NOBODY threatened Russia with nuclear weapons. Putin made that up.
Biden is not a fool. But you seem to be. You are sliming our President while making excuses for and siding with the enemy of democracy. Or maybe you are not a fool. The better word is “idiot: as in “useful idiot.”
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Civilian targets are being fired upon. And you still cheer this war criminal and his “overwhelming force” on.
Why do you hate freedom loving people so much?
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RE: “Cruise missiles WASTED on civilian targets is all the evidence anyone should need of the desperate state of the Russian war effort.”
You mean civilian INFRASTRUCTURE targets, such as electrical plant, railways, etc. The damage assessment is incomplete at present, but it is already clear that the attack has lessened Ukraine’s ability to wage war.
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You emphasized the wrong word. CIVILIAN. NOT military targets. That is the purest definition of terrorism.
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My guess is the 4 oblasts won’t be “returned” because they were never really taken. Just because Russia said they were Russian does not make it so any more than saying my dog is a mountain lion.
Putin has been terrorizing Ukraine since 2014 with massive destruction of purposefully selected civilian targets. It is how the Russian military rolls. Destroy everything, then send in the peasants to rape, torture and pillage.
Like the Brits in WW2 during the blitz, the Ukrainian people are making the most of what they have and enduring the terrorist missile and artillery barrages.
I think an offer of letting a sliver of Donetsk and Luhansk go to Russia with those Ukrainians who want to live under Putin is eminently generous. Take back the rest, including Crimea since Russia can’t be trusted to have a protectorate inside Ukraine.
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RE: “My guess is the 4 oblasts won’t be “returned” because they were never really taken.”
That would be news to the soldiers fighting on the contact line that separates the oblasts from Ukraine. The line of contact hasn’t moved for a week because the Ukrainian forces can’t break through.
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“The line of contact hasn’t moved for a week because the Ukrainian forces can’t break through.”
The line of contact hasn’t moved for a week because the Russian forces can’t break through.
Ukraine is fighting smart. They are not going to throw themselves on prepared defensive positions which they can eventually starve out by attacking lines of supply such as the Kersch bridge.
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The Kersch bridge has some damage, but is in operation. Supplies by rail to support Russian forces are uninterrupted — a Ukrainian failure.
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Well, if true, I guess you are pretty happy.
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Zelensky is still in power. A BIGLY Russian freakin’ failure.
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I won’t be happy until our government wises up and adopts an intelligent foreign policy. Until that happens my wife, my children and I must live under huge threats that are beyond our control.
The Putin-haters must live under those threats as well, but perhaps their hatred and lack of wisdom will keep them safe.
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Funny how you refuse to blame the real culprit for your fears.
It was not OUR foreign policy that caused Russia to invade Ukraine. It was Putin’s wish to wipe out a country and take it over. THAT is the issue that you should fear.
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I find it interesting that the cutting off of a military supply line is considered “a terrorist attack”. But the response is targeting civilian populaces and infrastructure, including, POSSIBLY, playgrounds and schools.
In my view, the Russian response to a military action is just ANOTHER terrorist attack by one nation against another.
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A deliberate revenge attack on civilians in response to a military setback is a war crime. Add it to the list.
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Biden’s reckless rhetoric? I think it was Putin who threatened nuclear attack. Duh!
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RE: “I think it was Putin who threatened nuclear attack. ”
How so? Can you quote him?
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Are you completely stupid? Or just lazy? Putin’s threats have been all over the news and prompted Biden’s comment.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/21/putin-announces-partial-mobilisation-in-russia-in-escalation-of-ukraine-war
https://www.wsj.com/video/this-is-not-a-bluff-putin-threatens-nuclear-response-in-ukraine-war/AA197C32-F882-4E01-B539-5E5BE6A798F8.html
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RE: “Putin’s threats have been all over the news and prompted Biden’s comment.”
I see the problem. In the video Putin described Russia’s longstanding and well known doctrine on the use of weapons of mass destruction. He warns that if an adversary uses WMDs against Russia, Russia may use WMDs in retaliation.
Lots of fools — like Joe Biden — have interpreted this old doctrine as a new threat.
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“I see the problem. ”
You see whatever it is you want to see in damned near everything. When credible news sources report things you don’t like, you call it bad journalism or fake news. Yet you continue to use discredited sources and pro-Putin talking heads to support your great leader.
Snowden was just granted citizenship in Russia. Please, feel free to join him.
No one has threatened Russia with WMD’s. You are so full of admiration for Putin and his lawless war, you keep cheering it on, defending his criminal acts, and hoping and praying for the destruction of a DEMOCRATIC country and an ALLY of ours.
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Well here is what a new ex-democrat has to say about Biden’s and Democrat’s policies including war rhetoric. Gotta say pretty much spot on.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/11/politics/tulsi-gabbard-leaves-democratic-party/index.html
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I’m going to share this here AND under Mr. Roberts’s post for a possible explanation of Ms. Gabbards “thoughts”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-cult-putin-democrat-science-of-identity-b2058196.html
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