I detect a slight change in tone in recent U.S. media reporting on the war in Ukraine. Whereas for weeks the Ukrainian fighters have been portrayed as heroic underdogs (and winners), suddenly we are seeing and hearing hints of desperation, as in the Politico story: “‘I don’t know how much strength we will have,’ [First Lt. Ivan Skuratovsky] said, adding that the troops under his command around the city of Avdiivka, near Donetsk, have gone without rest since the start of the war. At least 13 of them have been wounded in recent weeks, he said, and they are running dangerously low on ammunition, reduced to rationing bullets.”
Politico holds out hope of Ukrainian victory, but begins to acknowledge — as did UK’s Borris Johnson last week — that Ukrainian defeat is a real possibility.
“Ukrainian defeat is a real possibility.”
Uh, that has always been the case.
What people who cheerlead for the fascist dictator Putin have failed to acknowledge is that Russian defeat – as unlikely as that seemed when the invasion began – is a real possibility. What your Dear Leader called “genius” and “savvy,” is now very widely seen as the massive blunder it was.
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RE: “…now very widely seen as the massive blunder it was.”
Were that true, Politico might have said so. Instead, this icon of American MSM has begun equivocating.
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“Were that true. . .”
It is a matter of opinion. You have mine.
Whatever “victory” Russia achieves in Ukraine, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. Prosperity in the modern world is not achieved in isolation. Russian is now entering a very long period of not just isolation but of pariah status. And that is not counting the cost to Russia of a more unified NATO, the rearming of Germany, and the closer relationship with – or membership in – NATO of Sweden and Finland.
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RE: “Russian is now entering a very long period of not just isolation but of pariah status.”
I doubt that. In fact, I expect Russia’s reputation in the world will be much improved when the full story of this war is told.
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And what is the “full story” that will make Russia shine?
“Ukraine has never had its own authentic statehood. There has never been a sustainable statehood in Ukraine,” he said.“ V. Putin. So that gave him the right to invade, destroy cities and slaughter thousands?
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-denies-reviving-russian-empire-says-ukraine-not-real-country-2022-2
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RE: “And what is the ‘full story’ that will make Russia shine?”
I expect we will learn that Ukraine committed war crimes and Russia did not.
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Even if that is the case (which I don’t believe), Russia invaded a neighboring country, starting the war, destroying cities and killing thousands. That is why they will still be outcast, at least as long as Putin is their leader.
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“I expect we will learn that Ukraine committed war crimes and Russia did not.”
The fact that you truly believe that is disturbing in itself.
The biggest crime was the unjustified, unprovoked attack of a sovereign country. You have cheer led it from the beginning. This shows you do not believe in the democratic principles this county was founded on and that you, sir, are better served to live in one of the countries Putin controls or wants to control. It also displays to me a lack of anything related to freedom. Unless it is freedom for those you approve of.
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When it is done, Russia will have the Donbas and Crimea, the Ukrainian military will in tatters and the Azovs will be dead. NATO will not accept Ukraine even if it dared to ask. Just as Russia demanded from the start.
The only difference our assistance to Ukraine will have made is a lot of dead Ukrainians and Russians to no purpose and we will lost Russia as an ally against Iran and ISIS and as a balance against China.
Had we simply told Ukraine the cavalry isn’t coming from the start and advised them to make the best peace they could, they would have been no worse off and the rest of the world would be far better off.
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RE: “The only difference our assistance to Ukraine will have made is a lot of dead Ukrainians and Russians to no purpose…”
American media will take a hit, too, when the lessons learned are written.
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Why? Because TASS says so?
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RE: “Why?”
Because the volume of lies in American media has been extraordinary.
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Prove it.
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Happily. What will you accept as proof?
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“Happily. What will you accept as proof?”
Cite a significant lie that goes unchallenged in the American media and demonstrate that it is such without reference to TASS or other Russian sources such as this long-time Russian apologist in the video.
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Because you say so does not make it so.
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Lancaster has been debunked before. He is NOT a source I would rely on.
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Forgot the link.
https://www.grid.news/story/misinformation/2022/04/18/russias-favorite-war-propagandist-is-a-navy-veteran-from-missouri/
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RE: “Because you say so does not make it so.”
Same to you, Mr. Rothman.
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RE: “Cite a significant lie that goes unchallenged in the American media and demonstrate that it is such without reference to TASS or other Russian sources such as this long-time Russian apologist in the video.”
Just one? OK, how about Russia’s alleged atrocity at Bucha?
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Alleged? Bucha was only one of many locations. Lots of witnesses to corroborate deaths, injuries and rapes.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas
Now, you are denying the Russians did this because they said they didn’t, either directly or through surrogates.
At this point there has to be hundreds of folks who, if Russia is right, worked with hundreds of militias, volunteers, soldiers and aid workers. And not one leak about staging.
Like all conspiracies foisted upon us by right wing nuts in the last decade or so, they really fall apart with any modicum of critical thinking.
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…”critical thinking.”.
That no longer exists to the right wing cheerleaders. And G-d forbid it gets taught in schools. It’s all conspiracies, all of the time.
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What a dope you are! The perfect Tump/Putin cheer leader.
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It is obvious that you have no concept of the sense of honor and patriotism that is motivating the people of Ukraine and that your constant blather about standing up to tyranny with your personal armory could not be more vacuous.
The men and women risking everything to defend their country deserve the material support of democratic people when they ask for it. NATO governments have made clear that direct military support would not be coming. It is with full knowledge of that reality that Ukraine has chosen to resist this criminal aggression. Whatever happens, Ukraine has already delivered a major defeat to Putin compared with your preferred scenario of abject surrender.
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Well, it’s good to know your sense of honor requires fighting on till the last Ukranian.
But the world that will emerge from this foolishness will be a lot more dangerous for everyone than had Ukraine been advised to accept the inevitable with fewer deaths.
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“Well, it’s good to know your sense of honor requires fighting on till the last Ukranian.”
Typical of your ad hominem bullshit. I have said many times that whatever Ukraine chooses to do in the face of this criminal aggression by a very powerful neighbor, it is for them to choose. Not me. And not you. I have NEVER said they SHOULD fight but you frequently say they SHOULD give in.
It is clear to me that they are fighting against long odds because they have a sense of honor and a sense of patriotism that says it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. If that is wrong, why do YOU think they are fighting so hard – being paid by George Soros?
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Excellent PR resources notwithstanding, it is not about honor or patriotism, it is a turf battle between competing oligarchs over mineral and agricultural resources.
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War is never about honor or patriotism. It is always about money and it’s corollary, power.
Honor and patriotism are what one hopes people will aspire to when attacked, however.
I know several Ukrainians. They have immediate family in Lviv. The grandparents particularly, but some parents too, recall life under Soviet rule. Before that, under Hitler. They don’t want it again.
You want them to just give in.
Sorry, but your support of Putin is noted. You believed his lies before he invaded, and spew them again after.
Sad.
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There is a difference between support and accepting reality.
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Why, when I read this statement of yours, did the number 45 come to mind?
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Ukraine is fortunate not to have the mentality of our so called “militias”. They would have welcomed Russian tanks with food and fuel, maybe even their women.
If Russia can invade a sovereign nation because it feels like it, needs a port, or soothes a murderer’s ego, your thinking is not to interfere and maybe, just maybe it will be nice to us.
Putin had absolutely no right to invade and kill thousands of civilians and flatten cities. None. If he is not made to pay a heavy price, then we deserve to be next.
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