I love the Russian people. That is why I have to tell you the truth. Please watch and share. pic.twitter.com/6gyVRhgpFV
— Arnold (@Schwarzenegger) March 17, 2022
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Girly man imitates Jane Fonda.
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Excellent, Mr. Roberts. Lol
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How so, Dr. Semantics?
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Just as Jane Fonda sought to turn Americans against the Vietnam war, Arnold seeks to turn Russians against the war in Ukraine.
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So you want the Russian people to support Putin’s adventures?
Or, more to the point, do you support Putin’s invasion? Would you like to see another Chechnya?
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…” do you support Putin’s invasion”
He never said that and is just waiting for someone to accuse him of it so he can deny. This contrarian SOB does the same kind of thing all of the time.
I posted an informative piece about his (possibly) go-to search engine and he thought I was attacking him for some paranoid reason.
If I didn’t do yoga, he would have ruined my weekend. Now I am just ticked for about 30 seconds. WOOO-SAAAHHH!
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RE: “So you want the Russian people to support Putin’s adventures?”
I want rational behavior to prevail. Rational people don’t make emotional propaganda videos.
RE: “Or, more to the point, do you support Putin’s invasion?”
I do not.
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” I do not.”
If only all of your other words didn’t betray that.
SO the leader of a country is being attacked, people supporting the country under attack that have a bully pulpit uses that to support the people and explain to those being lied to that they are being lied to. You call it propaganda; the majority of the real world calls it T-R-U-T-H. Something you and the Trumplican far right have a BIG issue with.
Your obsession with propaganda, as opposed to reality, shows the true unrealistic nature of your thoughts.
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So Putin lies to his people and someone who is friendly with the PEOPLE of Russia tells them the truth? If the people of Russia weren’t lied to regularly by their leaders, it would be a problem.
Your apparent support for an illegal, immoral and unprovoked attack on Ukraine is noted with disgust and disdain. You focus on “propaganda” and IGNORE what is happening.
Good for you, Comrade.
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“Just as Jane Fonda. . .”
Okay. Thanks for clarifying.
If Schwarzenegger was a Russian the analogy would make more sense.
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The analogy makes sense enough.
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RE: “You focus on “propaganda” and IGNORE what is happening.”
I think what is happening right now is that the Ukrainian army is largely surrounded and being destroyed and 70% of Russian citizens approve of their president.
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By a ration of forces, the Russians are in a lot worse shape.
And 70% of Russians believe the lies they are being fed. THe other 30% are getting arrested for protesting.
That 70% os akin to the 40& in this country who believe all of Trump’s (and his minions) lies.
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Why am I not surprised at such a silly and childish response to a heartfelt and effective message?
I get the “girly man” reference. It started on SNL and later Scharzenegger used it himself from time to time – something he now regrets and has apologized for. But how is he imitating Jane Fonda? You think calling out Putin for the lying warmongering monster that he is counts as being disloyal to the United States of America?
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RE: “You think calling out Putin for the lying warmongering monster that he is counts as being disloyal to the United States of America?”
I think it counts as truthless propaganda.
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What did he say that you say is “truthless propaganda“?
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He said he was going to tell the Russian people the truth, but Arnold doesn’t know the truth, so he can’t tell it. That’s why the bulk of the video consists of emotional story telling.
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People respond to personal stories and if you are trying to get a message out, that is what often works better than listing facts.
Trump’s appeal to many was also very much at the visceral level. And it worked. 1/6 was a success story of just that.
Now, to your assertion that Arnold doesn’t know the truth. How do you arrive at that conclusion?
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Arnold doesn’t know the truth because there is very little reliable information coming out concerning actual conditions on the battlefield. We hear, for example, that Russians are indiscriminately killing civilians, but there are also reports that Ukrainian forces are killing civilians so that Russia gets blamed. Neither I, nor you, nor Arnold knows the truth of such reports.
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Can you cite reports that Ukrainians are killing their own people and blaming Russia?
That is a pretty devastating accusation.
Thanks
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Arnold doesn’t know the truth because there is very little reliable information coming out concerning actual conditions on the battlefield. ”
There is not one fact offered in this video that is not demonstrably TRUE. The piece was carefully prepared and as part of that process fact checkers reviewed every statement to ensure there was nothing but demonstrably true statements.
As for “reports” that the Ukraine military is killing civilians so that Russia gets the blame, just how stupid, gullible, and eager to repeat fascist lies are you?
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RE: “Can you cite reports that Ukrainians are killing their own people and blaming Russia?”
Here’s a report from this morning which claims Ukrainian forces are bombing Ukrainian civilians:
On the night of March, 18, the residential areas of Melitopol were attacked by Tochka-U cluster-warhead missiles from a territory controlled by the Kiev nationalist regime.
The Russian air defence systems have repelled the missile launched against the civilian population of the city.
The attack had been launched from the northern direction, south-eastern outskirts of Zaporozhie that is fully controlled by the Ukrainian nationalist units.
The Russian Federation Armed Forces have detected the coordinates of the Ukrainian ballistic missiles.
In order to prevent missile attacks and to protect the Ukrainian citizens against new attacks of the Kiev nationalist regime, the rocket launchers of the Ukrainian nationalists have been destroyed by two Iskander missiles.
It should be emphasised that Melitopol is in ordinary conditions. Shops and public transport are in operation. Every day the Russian servicemen deliver humanitarian aid that has repeatedly been told and shown by mass media representatives.
The subsequent application of ballistic missiles against civilian residents by the Kiev regime whose representatives knew about the absence of Russian Armed Forces firing positions in residential areas of Melitopol proves the criminal nature of the nationalist leadership of Ukraine.
https://thesaker.is/briefing-by-russian-defence-ministry-statement/
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Any corroboration by other sources or media other than the Russian Defense Ministry?
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Here are two other reports:
Once concerning the Mariupol Drama Theatre:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/neo-nazis-in-ukraine-fake-incidents-to-gain-more-western-support.html
Another concerning the maternity hospital in Mariupol:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/disarming-ukraine-day-15-a-curious-hospital-bombing-and-no-fly-zone-pressure.html
I said there were reports. I have verified that such reports exist. It is up to you to decide which propaganda you wish to believe: “ours” or “theirs”. My decision is to be skeptical across the board, especially of actors like Arnold who obviously don’t have access to any better information than I do.
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“. . . reports . . .”
As for “reports” that the Ukraine military is killing civilians so that Russia gets the blame, just how stupid, gullible, and eager to repeat fascist lies are you?
Well, you have answered the question loud and clear.
The answer is “Very!” On all three.
There are European and American journalists on the ground in the Ukraine. The information they provide is INFINITELY more reliable than the obvious hooey you call a “report.” Maybe you have not heard, but any Russian telling any kind of truth about the war (or even calling it that) is “scum” and a “traitor” and are subject to severe punishments. Your pretending (or believing) that the sources (Western journalism vs Russian propaganda) are comparable is monumentally dumb. And unpatriotic. Russia under Putin is an ememy of the United States.
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RE: “Your pretending (or believing) that the sources (Western journalism vs Russian propaganda) are comparable is monumentally dumb.”
If you could factually refute any of the reports I cited, I might take your comment seriously. But you can’t.
We all know the first casualty of war is truth. Yet, you claim to know truth. I call THAT “monumentally dumb.”
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More proof that no truth matters but YOUR truth.
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More proof that I am personally more important to you than anything in the thread.
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It is your lack of belief in TRUTH that I take issue with.
I believe you told Len to fuck off earlier this week. Back atcha dickhead.
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Well bless his heart.
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“Well bless his heart”
True colors shining through!
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I’m Southern, so?
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Not all Southerners are cheerleading for the fascist war criminal.
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Which one?
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“Which one”?
Are you asking which Southerner is not supporting Putin? Is that so rare that finding one is difficult?
That is pretty funny…maybe a video about that would be a hit. Sort of a “Where’s Waldo” with grits.
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You know better.
Sympathetic press or not, Zelensky(and his controlling Oligarchs) and Putin have much in common.
This is not a black hat/white hat conflict. Zelensky does not have full control of Ukraine, and those independently operating strongmen in Ukraine have been killing thousands of people in the Donbas a long time.
Putin is not a good guy, but neither is Zelensky.
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Where are you getting this information?
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“Which one?”
I get it. Putin says that the Jewish leader of the Ukraine is a “Nazi” so it must be true.
It is becoming clear that what is really going on is that Putin is seen as some sort of defender of – let’s call it – “European civilization chauvinism.” And that is why, despite his countless crimes, he is a hero to you people. Bless your hearts.
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“Zelensky(and his controlling Oligarchs) and Putin have much in common.”
You are incredibly full of shit. Where do you get this stuff? Zelensky ran for President on anti-corruption platform and in the final vote got 73% of the vote. That is called Democracy and a clear sign that the people of Ukraine invested their hopes for a better future in a non-politician – kind of like many Trump voters who, unfortunately, were duped and conned.
In trying to figure out how anybody could be so misinformed I keep coming back to Trump’s reign of error. He spread the word that Ukraine is corrupt beyond all measure and his weak-minded acolytes simply take him at his word. Sad.
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Putin wants purity (no midges in the mouth), wealth, power, and tax shelters for him and his oligarchs. Plus, utmost, unflagging loyalty to himself.
We dabbled in this during the last administration.
It seems that the right wing hatred of all things Democratic and democratic is tacitly connected to the support of Putin’s invasion as justified.
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