Kam and Joe demonstrated everything wrong with the Democratic Party in their presentation: Rhetoric, fallacy, drama, seizure.
“No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” (George Orwell, Animal Farm.)
Today, as it happens, is the religious holiday of Epiphany. I take it these politicians want to replace the commemoration with one of their own.
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What did they say?
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Try YouTube. The task of explicating the rhetoric, fallacy, drama and seizure is too big for me.
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No problem with a violent attack on Congress being the Epiphany holy day?
Instead of redemption and reflection we has wannabe traitors scaling the wall of the Capitol, armed and with zip ties.
Oh, I get it. It was the epiphany of Trump as a manifestation of the divine. 😇
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RE: “No problem with a violent attack on Congress being the Epiphany holy day?”
No, why should there be a problem?
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“I take it these politicians want to replace the commemoration with one of their own.”
Why did you write that?
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Because the speech and all the media hype — even your own conspiracy theories about treason — all strike me as purposeful.
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My conspiracy theory? We have first hand knowledge of the plan to overturn the election, with more coming in the public hearings starting next week.
Traitor is my opinion, not the legal definition. Those who planned the attack, Bannon on up, are in my view traitors.
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It’s funny how some of the architects of the “Good Coup” are upset because the violence of the “Bad Coup” cost them their chance to succeed.
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In Trenton, killed the British in their beds on Christmas morning, so…
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So…there is a message there somewhere?
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“Today, as it happens, is the religious holiday of Epiphany. I take it these politicians want to replace the commemoration with one of their own.”
Personally I would pray that those who continue to foster the idea that the election was stolen from Trump, that there was widespread electoral fraud and the Jan 6th, 2020, was just another tourist day at the Capitol would have an EPIPHNAY and realize how wrong they are. I’d be pleased if those in Congress from the GOP (I’m talking to you , Leader McCarthy, Leader McConnell and Sen. Graham of SC … among others), would remember what they said about who was responsible.
Alas, this middle aged Jewish guy is praying up the wrong tree.
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The epiphany I hope for is that Democrats will comprehend that calling Jan. 6 an insurrection is pure melodrama. I don’t know if the comprehension will ever sink in, but I’m confident the religious significance of Jan. 6 will outlast and once again overshadow the political significance.
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I prefer an attempted autogolpe since it fits perfectly.
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Wikipedia: A self-coup, also called autocoup (from the Spanish autogolpe), is a form of coup d’état in which a nation’s leader, having come to power through legal means, dissolves or renders powerless the national legislature and unlawfully assumes extraordinary powers not granted under normal circumstances.
I don’t see how the definition fits. Trump neither attempted nor succeeded in dissolving or rendering the national legislature powerless. He was hoping Pence would decertify some of the Electoral College votes, but that would have been the act of an empowered national legislature and arguably constitutional had Congress supported it.
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Having the executive branch in a temporary ceremonial role via the VP negate an election by rejecting state certified electoral votes would have rendered Congress effectively powerless. Waiting three hours to tell is followers to go home is pretty damning. Was he waiting to see who “won” the battle? Just like some of his fraudulent lawsuits filed after the election results came in.
No question in my mind that it was an attempted autogolpe.
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RE: “Having the executive branch in a temporary ceremonial role via the VP negate an election by rejecting state certified electoral votes would have rendered Congress effectively powerless.”
Don’t forget that the VP as President of the Senate fulfilled his duty to open the evenlopes containing the Electoral College votes. Senators then raised objections. That was the legal process in progress that the riot disrupted.
There was in fact no negation of the election as you suppose. No negation was even attempted, since Pence opted to play his ceremonial role.
The irony of the whole affair is that the protesters’ wishes might have prevailed, had the protesters themselves not entered the building. That is, the objections to some of the electoral slates would have had to be deliberated.
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Prevailed? I believe the counting would have slowed down, but the objections had to have a majority vote approval (2/3’s) I think, to have any impact. That is why the protest votes of a few Democrats in 2001 and 2017 were just that, protests for the record.
But that was already known. The game plan was to pressure Pence to reject electoral ballots by himself, which is illegal. But with a years long campaign by Trump to discredit our elections, the subsequent Big Lie, and constant haranguing of election officials, enough folks believed their leader. And GOP leaders were worried about primaries, and still are.
One can just wonder what would have happened had the mob actually caught Pence or a few Congressmen. Like a dog chasing cars, what does he do when he catches one?
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…” that Democrats will comprehend that calling Jan. 6 an insurrection is pure melodrama.”
Amazing how you conflate “melodrama” with facts. Your denial is dangerous and one of the real reasons why this country is in peril, from within.
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And like I said: “I am praying up the wrong tree.”
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