Those who survive Covid-19 should get vaccinated.

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https://tinyurl.com/ffsr9kwy

The story makes two main points.

The first is that mRNA vaccines appear to have long lasting efficacy meaning booster shots may not be needed for a year or more.

The second is that mRNA vaccines are especially effective in providing very long term protection in those who have already survived an infection. Maybe even lifetime protection.

From the article . . . “The findings add to growing evidence that most people immunized with the mRNA vaccines may not need boosters, so long as the virus and its variants do not evolve much beyond their current forms — which is not guaranteed. People who recovered from Covid-19 before being vaccinated may not need boosters even if the virus does make a significant transformation.”

The article links to this study . . . https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03738-2

Bottom line is that EVERYBODY, even those who have survived an infection, will benefit significantly from the mRNA vaccines. There is no rational reason for healthy people to shun the vaccines. None.

Published by Paul Murphy

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29 thoughts on “Those who survive Covid-19 should get vaccinated.”

  1. The irony is just so obvious.

    First, the right complains that the ex-prez doesn’t get the credit he deserves for getting the vaccines out fast.

    But getting the jab into red state arms is met with resistance.

    The bottom line is that vaccines do no good unless injected, not particle physics folks.

    I call this the “injection rejection insurrection”.

    Should we consider lollipops for the Republicans?

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    1. I provided a link to an unbiased analysis earlier that blows holes in your assertions the only Republicans are reluctant to get vaccinated. I know you want to make this an us smart them dumb argument but it just isn’t. Reluctance is prevalent more in culture than in party. That said, I will get a booster if offered but I won’t call all of those tens of millions of apparently black republicans stupid for hesitating.

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  2. RE: “Bottom line is that EVERYBODY, even those who have survived an infection, will benefit significantly from the mRNA vaccines.”

    It may be good that mRNA vaccine immunity lasts a long time as your sources report, but it may also be bad. As a result, your assertion is both false and irresponsible.

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    1. “It may be good that mRNA vaccine immunity lasts a long time as your sources report, but it may also be bad. As a result, your assertion is both false and irresponsible.”

      You will have to explain how longer lasting protection from the virus “may also be bad” because the statement seems to be complete nonsense as it stands.

      As for you final statement accusing me of irresponsibility for asserting the simple truth these scientists have found in their studies, well, what can I say? Except maybe consider the source. Someone who is dumb enough, selfish enough and/or cowardly enough to avoid the vaccine and thereby IRRESPONSIBLY putting himself and others at risk.

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      1. RE: “As for you final statement accusing me of irresponsibility for asserting the simple truth these scientists have found in their studies…”

        You did did no such thing. Your sources reported that mRNA vaccine immunity was more persistent than previously known. You misrepresented that finding.

        Whether the mRNA vaccines are good or bad is an open question in some respects. One need only note that public vaccinations started less than a year ago.

        Your sources are interesting. You really shouldn’t have played doctor with them.

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        1. The simple truth is that you are a Dunning-Kruger poster boy who is almost always full of shit. There is nothing irresponsible or inaccurate about my posting or my words about it. Your constant accusations are pretty clearly a smokescreen for your irrational cowardice about the vaccines.

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          1. Well, Dr. Murphy, since you don’t seem to understand your own medical stories, maybe YOU should submit to a psychiatric evaluation.

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          2. “Well, Dr. Murphy . . .”

            Thanks for the confirmation.

            For the record my posting about this story contains no misunderstanding of what it says. And you have yet to offer a cogent explanation for this nonsense . . .

            “It may be good that mRNA vaccine immunity lasts a long time as your sources report, but it may also be bad.”

            What is it that “may also be bad” about longer lasting immunity?

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          5. Apply your critical thinking skills.
            Does it make sense to bet your life on “information” provided by a site that asks this question . . .

            “Is it worth it to risk life-changing and even fatal side effects from a vaccine for a disease that is survived by 99.98% of people under 70?

            And which tells you . . . “Determine for yourself if these are fakes or real.” Uh, how?

            The figure of 99.98% is bogus. It has been spread around by demented anti-vaxxers without any evidence for some time now. And whatever the rate truly is, it masks the hugely increased risk of death for the older members of that under 70 group compared to younger members.

            https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/22/tweets/viral-tweet-cites-made-cdc-covid-19-survival-rates/

            Why trust anyone who cites known bogus data to scare you?

            By the way, the actual fatality rate for someone in you age group is about 0.5% (99.5% survive). That means that if you catch the virus you have a 1 in 200 chance of dying. Compare that to the miniscule risk of death from the vaccine. And even if you survive the illness, the known risks of other serious damage is orders of magnitude greater than the side effects of the vaccine.

            If you remain unvaccinate all I can say is . . . Good luck. You are going to need it.

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          6. RE: “Apply your critical thinking skills.”

            I always do. You linked to an anecdote. I linked to “1,000” anecdotes.

            That’s as much critical thinking as your comments deserve.

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  3. I would not doubt there is some value added to being vaccinated after recovery, but there is also risk. Weighing the risk either way is up to the individual.

    I do have some ethical concerns about using vaccines that way while there are still some who want vaccination but have been unable to get it.

    It is also reported that only one dose is needed for those who recovered.

    Finally, there are multiple reports that mixing vaccines has an added benefit, especially for those who are immune compromised. If you originally had the mRNA vaccine, then the booster should be viral vector(J&J) and vice versa.

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  4. “. . .still some who want vaccination but have been unable to get it.”

    Uh, that may have once been an ethical concern theoretically but not any more. The vaccines are now going begging, in this country at least. The real ethical question is raised by the irresponsible people who shun the vaccines. In my opinion, these people are profoundly immoral risking themselves and others for idiotic reasons.

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        1. I am definitely ‘America First’ but not ‘America Only.’

          Humanitarian concerns notwithstanding, it is in our national interest to get others around the world vaccinated. Doing so reduces the chance of a mutation in the virus that will evade our vaccines.

          And since we have abandoned enforcing our immigration laws, it certainly makes sense to get Mexico and the Northern Triangle vaccinated.

          That is not to say we shouldn’t give boosters to those who have recovered, but it is premature to do so. Natural immunity lasts at least a year,

          FWIW, I had the Moderna vaccine in February, and next spring I plan to back that up with the J&J vaccine as a booster.

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          2. “And since we have abandoned enforcing our immigration laws, “…

            So the number of arrests going up is an indication of abandonment of laws? Interesting mathematical theory swimming around in your head.

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          6. “Arrests mean nothing if they released into the country with a court date year away.”

            Well, if that really is a problem then we need to spend more money staffing the courts. Or do you propose suspending the rule of law?

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          7. Again, you either miss or evade the point.

            Whether their court date is 2 months or 3 years away, if they come here infected and are dispersed all across the country, the damage has been done in the first 10 days.

            So, if we aren’t enforcing border as a barrier to entry, we would do well to see to it they are vaccinated in their home country.

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          8. Or, if not available in their home countries, vaccinate them upon arrival. There are plenty of excess shots around for that purpose, as well as sharing with the world (America first, not America only sound familiar?).

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          9. “How’s that working for you?”

            So, somebody found some cases of bailees doing bad things. Oh my! So, what is your alternative to “affordable bail?”

            The only alternative is unaffordable bail – giving the state the power to incarcerate people without trial almost indefinitely.

            That’s what you people really want, isn’t it. Protesters, critics, journalists, opponents – Lock ’em up! Just like Daddy Putin would do.

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          10. Bail serves a purpose.

            Either a bail bondsman, or a relative, now has a stake in the accused showing up for trial.

            And a felon with prior convictions for violent crimes awaiting trial for another violent crime should wait in jail,

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