A powerful visual, with no real commentary from me . . .

I just happened to come across this in the comments section of Sally Jenkins article today in The Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/05/30/this-is-why-colin-kaepernick-took-knee

19 thoughts on “A powerful visual, with no real commentary from me . . .

  1. Good post.

    What impressed me about so many of the protesters is that they were white. Some were the self styled Supremacists looking for a chance to really have a “boogaloo”, incite violence as the breakdown of civil society.

    But more than a few were peaceful and fed up with the racial divide we still have.

    Of course, we had the president practically peeing himself with excitement at the action outside the White House.

    “ “Big crowd, professionally organized, but nobody came close to breaching the fence. If they had they would….have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen. That’s when people would have been really badly hurt, at least,” Trump tweeted Saturday morning.”

    Nothing about trying to calm the nation.

    I’ll bet he missed his calling not being at the Pettus Bridge in Birmingham, AL.

    Pretty disgusting in my opinion.

    I know, just Trump being Trump.

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  2. Though Kaepernick’s protest offended many, it was peaceful and within his rights legally(though his employer also had the legal right to demand he not do it on company time.)

    But someone please explain to me how the actions of a few policemen in one city, which the law enforcement community in general has condemned, and for which all were fired and all may face charges, and the main perpetrator has been arrested and charged with murder, justify the widespread destruction of private property across the country that provides the livelihood of tens of thousands of people?

    Oh, if anyone still questions why private citizens need AR-15s and 30 round magazines, turn on your TV.

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    1. You can’t justify violence in a civil society.

      People do things when they reach a point where they feel talk is not working.

      We’ve seen egregious killings by police all over the nation and with the prevalence of video via phones, it is obvious that this is not a new phenomenon.

      Unfortunately there are agitators who will seize this opportunity to make things worse. Not for justice or social reforms, but for division and breakdown of society.

      And their is a racial divide. You can excuse, explain, define and justify all day long, but it is a blot on our nation even today. Until we get past this, and we will as generations dilute the culture of racial animosity, we need to make extra efforts to make sure fewer are left out of the American Dream.

      BTW, this is what happens when people think no one is listening and economic benefits of a modern country are skewed. Which is why I have held for decades that a broad based middle class is absolutely necessary to keep capitalism and civility in a partnership. And it is the responsibility of the haves to make sure this takes place. The cost of doing business you might say.

      My concern is that we now have 40 million jobless. When bills come due, people are going to be out on the street. Competition for employment will be stiff. Stimulus money will run out. And this will hit the minority communities harder, but no race is spared. We had a weak, low wage economy for about half the people. We had ineffective social safety nets. This could have been avoided but for the political reality of shoveling money and assets to the top.

      We are reaping what we sowed and I hope we can turn this around before the agitators become more attractive than the Dream.

      IMHO

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      1. What is it they think the city should have done that it hasn’t.

        All of the police on scene have been fired, the primary perpetrator has been charged with murder, and the others there are being investigated for probable other charges.

        Would summary executions be OK?

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        1. Of course not.

          There are demonstrations in Europe over the Floyd murder.

          What do you think they are trying to get?

          Government of, by and for the people. If the government is perceived to fail, the “investors”, people, can and do make their grievances known. And at times it is not pretty.

          Put another way, BLM started over the killing of a man whose name is gone from the public memory. But it started a movement that eont rest until the racial disparities of both justice and its “cousin”, economics, is addressed.

          Here is a thought. Libertarian thinking is all about individual responsibility. This issue with minorities here and around the world is all about collective responsibility.

          We create law enforcement and judiciary systems to deal with a collective security and justice. As such, justice is as much your responsibility as anyone else. And if the norm for that justice is skewed, it is ours to correct.

          So if a mob torches 50 stores, it is no longer an individual issue, but a collective one.

          The response is abhorrent to civil society, but in the minds of protestors, society is not civil at all. At least to them.

          Go back to the earlier parts of the last century. Lynchings were similar. Whole towns would turn out, with picnic baskets and cameras, to watch a black man tortured and burned. Any different from torching a store?

          Neither the store nor the lynching victim were responsible. Both were attacked.

          Why? The mob thought justice was not done. Whether it was or not is immaterial.

          That’s what happens when people lose faith in the system.

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          1. There is no such thing as collective justice.

            No one who attended one of those lynchings as an adult is still alive. Their children are not responsible for those acts of terrorism.

            Nor or the progeny of those lynched entitled to destroy anyone’s business.

            50,000 2nd Amendment advocates certainly lost faith in the system and managed to remain armed and peaceful, and damaged no property, and didn’t even leave litter.

            Anyone who participates in a riot to plunder private property is a barbarian and should be treated as such.

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          2. Why are you tying lynchings to the protests. I was using that as an example of what happened in very recent history, not as an excuse to riot today.

            A black man accused of killing, or even just disrespecting, a white was enough justification to destroy whole communities or towns In several historical incidents. This happened in Oklahoma and Florida among other places.

            Was it wrong then? Of course.

            These riots are not justified either. But they happen.

            Your example of gun rights advocates is not the same. How many of those were killed by police with no accountability? None. Probably not even stopped, frisked or arrested for walking in the wrong area.

            So get your pals with guns to go shoot the “barbarians”. That ought to set things straight.

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          3. What do you think our whole system of governance and justice is if not a collective decision by people to form a nation?

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          4. From the Declaration of Independence

            “…all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

            That is the whole purpose of our government, to secure the rights of the individual.

            It is not to use the force of government to deprive the individual to satisfy the lusts of the collective.

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          5. We are talking past each other.

            I swear when conservatives see the word collective, their minds shut down and every thing is communist or socialist or un-American.

            Yes, by golly, a purpose of the government is to secure the rights of the individual.

            But that was a collective idea. The founders agreed collectively that government must be this and that. If there were no collective thinking, there would be just a bunch of individuals without law.

            We agree to abide by the same rules as everyone else, no one is above the law, certain behaviors won’t be permitted…we agree to these as a nation, not as an individual that picks and chooses what he wants to adhere to.

            “I think that the EPA is overreaching. I think I will put my waste oil in the river.”

            Or, more to the point today. “I won’t wear a mask in that store it interferes with my freedom.”

            Both of those examples are of laws we agreed upon through a process known as representative government. Collectively we decided we like clean water and to not spread the contagion via emergency powers we collectively passed and agree to abide by.

            Is that any clearer?

            Lusts of the collective, good Lord.

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          6. Dumping waste oil in the river violates the rights of those living downstream. Government properly acts to protect their rights.

            The mask issue is trickier.

            The store owner is within his rights to require you to wear a mask in his place of business. In a libertarian society, that would be his choice to make, but he would lose my business and that of many others if he did not require masks in his store during a pandemic. The market guides him to make a choice that benefits his customers.

            Under our less free system, however, the board of health and the labor boards can act to force that policy on him as a condition of doing business.

            But in either case, it is the business owner who has the actual authority to require a mask on his property as a condition of entry.

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    2. “… someone please explain to me how the actions of a few policemen in one city, which the law enforcement community in general has condemned…,”

      I don’t think any intelligent, reasonable people would condone such lawlessness; but, I do believe that continued frustration over the same issue can be a mighty motivator. Throw in the outsiders hellbent on causing trouble – well, you got to know how those scenes last night would end

      Anyone who didn’t see that outcome must be NEW to this planet.

      “…if anyone still questions why private citizens need AR-15s and 30 round magazines, turn on your TV.”

      Nope, no, don’t think so.

      I do not “need” an AR-15 for anything. But, I can see how some folks have been waiting and itching to put themselves on public streets to open fire with their macho-manly weapons.

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  3. The thing to remember is that about 8% of murders are committed by a cop. Most of these are justified and cops kill 2x as many as civilians (~400, ~200) — reasonable to expect that.

    The other thing to remember is very few cops get convicted, and being fired from Minneapolis PD just means he’ll be hired by St. Paul PD in 2 years.

    That’s a joke, but only because it’s too true. Bad cops just move from city to city.

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  4. This has got to be the dumbest comparison. Exactly what I would expect from the WAPO. If one wants to protest, do it peacefully outside of solemn activities such as weddings, funerals, religious prayers, The National Anthem, etc for Christ sake. Being a disrespectful brat, arsonist, looter, blocking traffic, etc doesn’t bring merit or sympathy to your cause, quite the opposite. Stand at attention or don’t come out until the anthem is over.

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    1. I am not sure that “sympathy for the cause” is the goal at this point.

      Awareness and action are the probable agenda items. Police excesses in the black community are not figments of the imagination. Nor are they new. Videos from phones and other sources have exposed that.

      And no, I don’t condone or agree with the violence. But we shouldn’t be surprised when it happens.

      What’s even more interesting is that there are demonstrations in Europe about the Floyd murder. This isn’t going away anytime soon.

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      1. There is NO excuse for this and attempting to justify it with claims of “awareness” is just as bad. Simply put, every race has had bad run ins with law enforcement at some time or another but they have been the few bad apples among a large community. To lay contrast, because a minority of black people choose to engage in arson, looting, violence, should we assume all black people are just as guilty? This is senseless BS of certain people taking advantage of a situation to feign outrage in order to rob, loot and steal. And we should be surprised when others arm themselves?

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