Lest we forget . . .

Our “wartime President” is now claiming that he knew all along how serious and grave this pandemic would be.

If he did actually know that, then the many statements documented in the clip were LIES that will kill hundreds or thousands of people. If he was not lying then, then he is lying now. And his willful ignorance then will kill hundreds or thousands of people. Either way, he has to go. He is not fit in any way to serve.

28 thoughts on “Lest we forget . . .

  1. Trump spends more time talking about the GREAT job he’s doing and blaming others than he does explain what the facts are and what actions will be taken going forward.

    It is infuriating and unhelpful in the extreme. Yes, he has to go, but until then he can best serve by just JTFU.

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    1. Ironically, it is like some bankruptcies where all the investors lose big time, but the CEO comes out better than whole because he is called in to run the company and reorganize it.

      This, even though as CEO he was responsible for the failure in the first place.

      It is the American way.

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        1. @jimroberts

          “Ignorance offends me. Unfortunately, there is a lot of it–even in this forum.”

          True ‘dat. For example, someone congratulating a fellow poster with thousands of people about to die. THAT is indeed – ignorant.

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  2. RE: “If he did actually know that, then the many statements documented in the clip were LIES…”

    I see no lies in the video clip. Instead of making vague assertions that add to the climate of fear, perhaps you should quote a statement or two and explain what is wrong with them.

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    1. @Roberts

      When the scientists around him are saying the spread of the virus will be massive and he says it will soon be zero, that is a LIE.

      When the experts tell him that widespread availability of a vaccine is 12-18 months away at best and he says it will soon be available, that is a LIE.

      When the doctors tell him that there is no known medicine existing that will cure this illness and he says that such a medicine will soon be available, that too is a LIE.

      When he says the media are reporting on the epidemic to make him look bad, that too is a LIE.

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      1. @Murphy

        None of the things you mention is accurate. All involve statements Trump has made that were factually true in the context that he made them. Your reasoning seems to be that because some people took or could have taken the wrong meaning from Trump’s words, they must be lies. But that is an unserious way to think.

        It is, in fact, a child-like way to think, and dangerous to boot, since there is no good reason to undermine public confidence in the federal response to coronavirus.

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  3. If anything is going to cause thousands of needless deaths, it will be the erosion of confidence in the information provided by health authorities caused by the relentless exploitation of the epidemic to defeat Trump in November.

    There are millions of young people who are very shallow news consumers who are blowing off warnings and going on with their socials lives as usual because don’t believe what they are told officially. They will spred the virus faster than our health care facilities will keep up.

    So, Trump’s response may not have been perfect, but it it the partisan press, and the partisan politicians, that carry the real guilt for excess loss of life.

    What is going no now is the equivalent of telling WW2 citizens the FDR was faking Pearl Harbor and they really didn’t need to follow rationing and work restrictions.

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    1. @Tabor

      As usual, you are full of it.

      The old mantra used to be that the “fake news” was exaggerating the danger to make Trump look bad. Now you are claiming the “fake news” is not doing enough to get people concerned.

      What is actually political and partisan is Trump’s egregious lying about his role and pitiful leadership. It serves no legitimate purpose except to help him politically.

      Re: “If anything is going to cause thousands of needless deaths . . .”
      There is no “If” about it. The six to eight weeks delay caused by Trump’s piss poor handling of this threat has already happened and its deadly effects are already rippling through the country. Trying to blame the legitimate media for demanding the truth from our leaders is a dog that will not hunt, but it does fit the pattern – blame somebody, anybody but the man in charge.

      And, by the way, the President and others of his ilk trying to brand this illness as the “Chinese virus” is beyond disgusting. But you are fine with that too, I would bet.

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      1. German measles, Spanish flu, Ebola is the name of a river in Africa. Diseases are often named for their place of origin.

        However, in this case, the despicable, murdering Chinese virus would be appropriate since the Chinese concealed the outbreak and lied about it for 6 weeks to avoid an economic impact.

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        1. According to the CDC, “Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918.”

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        2. Don, we knew about this virus in December. It caught on in January. It was not taken seriosly until the last week.

          Why? To avoid economic impact is unquestionably the primary reason. And that was for obvious political reasons in an election year.

          So we kind of copied the Chinese even long after we knew about it.

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        3. @Tabor

          “However, in this case, the despicable, murdering Chinese virus would be appropriate since the Chinese concealed the outbreak and lied about it for 6 weeks to avoid an economic impact.”

          By this logic, it should be called the “Trump virus.”

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    2. I agree that erosion of confidence is critical.

      Please remember that just a week ago Trump was saying no big deal. Nunes and other conservative leaders and governors were saying “party on”. I am sure folks believed them and did just that.

      The media and the Democrats were trying hard to put out the truth.

      Don’t blame them, they were right from the beginning.But the spin from the right that they were trying to undermine Trump and his re-election.

      Can you or other supporters accept the fact that we were correct, Trump was wrong and now, at this time, it is up to the administration to earn the trust that we need to get through this?

      That trust is absolutely critical. The administration is finally doing something. How well it works is up to it and also the GOP, as well as the Democrats who led this from the beginning.

      All of what I said is fact. Admittedly, “I told you so” is counterproductive, but people are people.

      For my part I will support our governments’ efforts, local, state and federal. I have little choice at this point, but I feel a lot better now than just a week ago.

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      1. “Please remember that just a week ago Trump was saying no big deal.”

        That was a week ago. Historically speaking, in Trumpland, it NEVER happened. Or it was someone else that he no longer knows. Or he said it and the MSM misconstrued when they quoted him word-for-word. Or the entire interview was taken out of context. Or he didn’t really LIE, he just misspoke and the staff had to moonwalk it back. Or… Or… Or…

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      2. As long as the ABC stores stay open, all will be well. And vodka makes a decent sanitizer. And GOOD vodka can make a nice Vodka QUARANTINI. By the way, my son lost it when I passes it along to him.

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      3. RE: “Can you or other supporters accept the fact that we were correct, Trump was wrong and now, at this time, it is up to the administration to earn the trust that we need to get through this?”

        Not me. I’ve been following the story pretty closely since it broke, because — from the beginning — it was clear that I belong to the most vulnerable risk group. I have consistently found the information put out by the administration to be helpful and reliable via corroboration with other sources.

        At the same time I have been astonished at the level of anti-administration propaganda put out by media and politicians. I believe that much of the anti-Trump sentiment I see in this forum derives from sheep-like repetition of things users here see and hear on their media outlets of choice.

        RE: “All of what I said is fact.”

        You seem to think so, but your allegations about Trump and his supporters don’t match my lived experience in any way.

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        1. Your view.

          Not mine.

          In my experience, with rare exceptions, the views I and others have expressed have shown to be the truth.

          Just because you hold a position and find a site that supports it and it might be contrary does not make you or the position correct.

          Just the fact that Trump has suddenly come to admit we have a serious pandemic when it has been obvious for most of the world is evidence of serious lack of leadership, not to mention truth.

          Calling the governor of the most affected state a snake is so despicable I find it hard to imagine anyone, much less a president of my country, acting like that. And that is just a tiny example of thousands, but it really stands out.

          But you are fine with such trash. And to me that explains a lot. And sheeplike reverence for a man like Trump then becomes quite understandable.

          Yet, for me, still inexcusable when a serious crisis occurs.

          Bottom line? My statement stands and your challenge fizzles.

          IMHO

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