Strange bedfellows

It’s almost as if Democrats want violence at the Capitol as they keep fucking escalating things causing more and more tension. We don’t believe they are that smart though. Just fucking dense.

They didn’t listen to us when we warned them about Unite the right and we are warning folks now that fascists will attempt to use this as an opportunity to recruit and escalate from well meaning folks. We hope VCDL Page – Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. is aware of all the purposeful disinformation they are sewing. We also hope they are taking measures to block fascists from using this as an opportunity to be violent.

We have been openly against this legislation as are EVERY anti fascist we have talked to. We think this is highly irresponsible of the VA Democrats and it is actually causing escalated risk of violence.

There are people that would have you believe that this is similar to Unite the Right where there are very clear sides and one chants “Jews will not replace us” carrying torches when this situation is far from black and white. There is a lot of nuance and even common ground.”

Looks like the Democrats are all alone on this one.

18 thoughts on “Strange bedfellows

  1. By positing this crap you are feeding more and more into the hate and divisiveness on any and all topics. Please find a better use of your time .

    I have heard several rumors about this or that. It is all bullshit and this just adds to it.

    Russian disinformation? We’ll never know because Facebook isn’t doing a damned thing to stop it.

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    1. Levels of extremism on both sides tend to spike when actual facts increasingly become public.

      I’m not sure what this post is intended to accomplish, but it is ridiculously extreme…

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    2. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

      There had been posts on the VCDL page that Antifa might try to disrupt Lobby Day.

      On the 3rd Monday in January every year, VCDL sends members to talk to their legislators about the upcoming session. This year, because there is so much concern, more members than we need to lobby the legislators are coming, so we will have speakers and a rally outside while the lobbying teams are inside the office building.

      We have been concerned that other groups might try to co-opt the rally, as they did in Charlottesville. We don’t want people showing up with Confederate flags or in paramilitary gear and we were concerned violence would break out between Antifa and the white supremacists we thought might show up.

      So, it is good to see that Antifa recognizes that the Democrats proposals are tools of government oppression, but I still hope they, and the others stay away and leave Lobby Day what it always has been, peaceful and respectful persuasion.

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  2. Kind of scraping the edges of the latrine aren’t we?

    First the grid is going to be turned off in rural VA. Then masked National Guardsmen are going to rape and pillage.

    And then, and then…ARM-A-GEDDON!!!

    😱😎

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  3. RE: “Looks like the Democrats are all alone on this one.”

    It would seem so. On the other hand, the Democrats losing an ally like Antifa is probably a good thing for the rest of us. A little less violence may be the result.

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  4. Before this gets out of hand…

    Don’t like guns?
    Then don’t buy or allow them in your homes.

    It’s not up to you (or any level of government) to dictate which rifles or pistols ‘We the People’ can own or possess…anymore than it’s up to you to decide which vehicles others can own/drive, religious affiliation, whom we marry…let alone how we each vote.Before this gets out of hand…

    Don’t like guns?
    Then don’t buy or allow them in your homes.

    It’s not up to you (or any level of government) to dictate which rifles or pistols ‘We the People’ can own or possess…anymore than it’s up to you to decide which vehicles others can own/drive, religious affiliation, whom we marry…let alone how we each vote.

    The overwhelming majority of American’s are not a threat to “You the Other People”.

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    1. Sorry for the additional “stuff” I inadvertently posted…looks like I still have some “computer software issues” to get through.

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    2. Craig, the words “well regulated” in the 2A do allow to dictate what kind of weapons we can own.

      The hyperbolic response by VCDL and other gun rights organizations to proposals that have little chance of passing is part of the problem. Laws concerning background checks, red flag laws, and other common sense, CONSTITUTIONALLY ordered reforms are what should pass and be signed into law. I support the 2A, but I also understand that the times have changed to the point that the wishes of the founders for the Constitution to be a living breathing evolving document should be followed.

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    3. There is a good reason, however, to control who can own guns.

      Violent criminals, the insane and others than would do us harm should be screened much more carefully than the gun lobby would allow.

      Which is why we have millions of “no questions asked” weapons in urban areas. Or why “red flags” are being debated in even the egregious cases.

      The sticking point is how to keep arms only in the hands of the law abiding citizens. Right now we are effectively arming everyone, then rescinding that ownership after the crimes.

      This means more effective enforcement of existing laws in addition to more teeth in the ones we have. But also some laws that make sense in the modern era.

      Yet the opposition is formidable to the point of ridiculousness. A few years back, during the Obama presidency, a bill was introduced to curtail arms ownership by those who declared mental disability to collect SS benefits. Low hanging fruit if there ever was such a thing. Someone who is saying they are too incompetent mentally to handle daily life functions but still can strap on a loaded 9mm and walk about town.

      No deal. It might have needed tweaking for appeals, but it died anyway.

      There needs to be a better way.

      IMHO

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  5. RE: “strange bedfellows”

    Antifa are generally Communists and/or Anarchists so there will of course be some ideological overlap with civil libertarians. (In fact, “libertarian” was originally used to refer to anarcho-communists etc. before it’s usage was changed in the US.) This is particularly true of gun rights and the idea of self-defense from an oppressive state.

    I’m sorry I’m late to this one, because it is indeed a very nuanced conversation that would be interesting to have; however, the assertion that Antifa are aligned with the Democratic party of Obama, Clinton, et al. is a juvenile simplification of the political landscape. The majority of elected Democrats are ideologically more closely aligned with Trump than Antifa–and would absolutely side with the former if the latter every gained political momentum.

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    1. RE: “In fact, ‘libertarian’ was originally used to refer to anarcho-communists etc. before it’s usage was changed in the US.”

      Nuanced conversations fascinate me. Here, my contribution would be to note the OED cites the first instance of the word libertarian in 1789, where it is used to distinguish a metaphysical philosophy based on free will from one based on determinism.

      Thus, in a political context, libertarians and anarchists might both be described as disestablishmentarians, but it would be very peculiar to describe anarcho-communists as libertarians. The reason is that the Hegelian dialectic which underlies communist revolutionary theory is the epitome of scientific determinism. Libertarians give more credit to the intellect and free will of individuals, and expect more from them, than communists do.

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      1. Here, I think your interpretation is fairly accurate, but I’d suggest a significant addendum:

        Hegelian dialectics are very different from Marx’s dialectical materialism. Marx was much more interested in the structures (material conditions) that oppress people, while Hegel was interested in a more epistemological dialectic. Hegel influenced Marxism only as far as Marx applied the dialectic to the progression of history and peoples’ material conditions. With this interpretation in mind, you can see why a “left-libertarian” is not a contradiction of terms. Anarcho-communists see most hierarchies an unjust and illegitimate want a classless, stateless society. The main bone of contention between left and right libertarians is that the right needs a state to enforce property rights and maintain the hierarchy created by (usually) the market. The left believes that all the ostensible freedom in the world doesn’t make a bit of difference if you are living in poverty or under an oppressive state.

        Despite the capitalist propaganda we have all been force fed our entire lives, very few modern communists are advocating for a Stalinist regime (we call them “Tankies”). The Soviet Union was just a centrally-planned dictatorship. We believe true freedom comes when peoples’ immediate material needs are met and they can direct their labor in a way that is productive and fulfilling.

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    2. I have heard Libertarians describe themselves as anarcho-capitalists, but never any form of communists.

      The basic tenet of Libertarianism is self ownership, we would never place the State above the Individual.

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      1. “Libertarian” is rarely used to describe a leftist in the US.

        Again, communism and anarchism are the establishment of a classless, stateless society. I have also seen people refer to themselves as ancaps, but anarchism is incompatible with capitalism since the latter produces rigid hierarchical structures by design.

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      2. RE: “I have heard Libertarians describe themselves as anarcho-capitalists, but never any form of communists.”

        That’s my thinking, as well. It is easy to imagine a stateless, effectively classless society in which people generally function as John Galts. It is impossible to imagine a stateless, classless society in which some part of the community has responsibility to collect and distribute the surplus value communists imagine labor generates.

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