State statistics from Bloomberg’s Everytown

Maryland

Virginia  

So, someone tell me why we should change our laws to be more like Maryland?

In 2013, Maryland passed sweeping new firearms laws much like those under consideration now in Virginia. They went into effect in 2014. Note what happened to their homicide statistics immediately afterward. What a success. Note there was no such surge in VA. Yet.

15 thoughts on “State statistics from Bloomberg’s Everytown

  1. A more measured response/comment.

    I hope we can learn from the Maryland “experiment” and ultimately come up with a more effective set of increased gun possession laws.

    Time will, as always, tell…

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  2. @Tabor
    The proper comparison is not with Maryland which has a very different socio-economic profile compared to a state like Virginia constantly suckling at the federal teat. The proper comparison is with what we could achieve if we controlled guns and who can have them better.

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    1. So, we should compare one of the safest states in the country with a figment of your imagination that is contrary to every indication available. It’s not just Maryland, it’s within Virginia, Those parts of Virginia most like Maryland are the most dangerous.

      Also, if you correlations, what else happened in 2014 other than a general disarmament of honest citizens, that could account for the uptick in homicides?

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  3. 1 Alaska 804
    2 New Mexico 703
    3 Nevada 678
    4 Tennessee 633
    5 Louisiana 566
    6 Arkansas 551
    7 Alabama 532
    8 Missouri 519
    9 Delaware 509
    10 South Carolina 502
    11 Maryland 472

    Those are the violent crime rates per 100,000 up date 2019.

    I would hazard a guess that all the others, except Delaware, are deep red, gun rights states.

    Now we know Baltimore has issues for a lot of reasons and probably zero has to do with what kind of gun control there is. It does border VA which is gun supply central.

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    1. Take a look at the Everytown page for each of those states on your list

      https://everytownresearch.org/everystat/state-pdfs

      and I think you will find a correlation for violence far stronger than gun laws or political party. You won’t like it, but it is unmistakable.

      The firearms homicide rate for White America is virtually the same across the country, regardless of gun laws, and is equivalent to Australia and Western Europe. The variability in homicides is entirely in the black, Hispanic and Native American populations. Mississippi has a higher gun homicide rate than Connecticut because blacks make up a higher share of the population, the rates for whites are the same or nearly so.

      So, what we have are cultural problems, NOT gun law problems.

      Trying to fix what’s wrong by changing gun laws is like putting air in your tires when it runs out of gas.

      The worst thing is that when you change the gun laws, you’ll pat yourself on the back and think you’ve done something, and when it doesn’t work, you’ll want to do more of the same instead of admitting you were wrong.

      You will sacrifice my freedom to gain nothing, and never face the things that really need to be done.

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      1. Essentially you are saying there are White Americans and assorted others who live here.

        If we have a crime problem in America it affects all of us. And we need to find solutions as a nation.

        One thing you did not mention was poverty. That is the common denominator in most crime, domestic violence, substance abuse and services untreated mental health issues.

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        1. What I am saying is that the problem is cultural. The gun laws are the same, black or white, but blacks are 11 times more likely to kill or be killed. Pretending it is not so won’t change it.

          Putting air in the tires won’t put gas in the tank.

          Poverty is certainly part of the problem, but is it a cause or a co-morbidity?

          I suspect our drug laws and our subsidies of single parent matriarchal family structure are the main causes, not anything inherent in race itself.

          But if we distract ourselves with gun laws we will never deal with the much harder problems.

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  4. Are you saying that Alaska, Virginia and Maryland are alike?

    Homicides are very concentrated. For example, Louisiana, outside of New Orleans and Baton Rouge, is as safe as any other state. I can guarantee that the safe areas of Louisiana are every bit as well armed as the dangerous parts, if not more so.

    https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/number-murders-county-54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/

    Guns are not the problem anywhere.

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      1. Closer. We should separate the guns from SOME people.

        Disarm rapists, arm women.
        Disarm strong arm robbers, arm the elderly and the weak.
        Disarm robbers, arm shopkeepers.
        Disarm politicians, arm taxpayers.

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    1. You brought up the crime rate. The states I listed are all at the top of violent crimes, not just gun deaths.

      It is the most amazing coincidence that all all red, gun friendly and predominantly rural like Arkansas and Alabama.

      The states with bigger cities like NY, MA even IL are not in that list.

      There are a lot of reasons for crime and having guns or not is not necessarily related.

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  5. In large measure, agreed.

    For example, Dan Helmer’s proposed bills:

    1. HB567 Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in buildings not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government; exceptions; civil penalty. Prohibits the operation of an indoor shooting range, defined in the bill, in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers or federal law-enforcement officers.

    I may have missed it, but I am unaware of any mass shootings, killings, etc. involving buildings with a shooting range. What is the purpose of this?

    1. HB 568 Carrying or storing firearms in motor vehicles and vessels; exceptions; penalty.Carrying or storing firearms in motor vehicles and vessels; exceptions; penalty. Provides that any person possessing or storing a firearm in a motor vehicle or vessel shall secure such firearm in a locked container, other than a glove box, that is not within the dominion and control of or readily accessible for prompt and immediate use by any person within the motor vehicle. The bill provides exceptions for law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit. A violation is punishable by a civil penalty not to exceed $2,500.

    Well, I guess this might be to curtail drive-by shootings? I am unconvinced that a civil fine of $2,500 is going to deter such activities. Now, yes, there are stories out there, such as the NRA cheerleader mom whose 3 year-old, while they were driving, took a loaded handgun out of mom’s purse and shot her. But I would also point out the great difficulty in curtailing you-can’t-fix-stupid incidents like this with a law that would also be difficult to enforce except in an incidental (car stopped for some other violation) and after-the-fact manner.

    He does have HB 569 Reciprocity for concealed gun permits that seems to make sense, requiring the person to have a permit that meets the same standards for issuance as VA permits do. Of course, you then get into the whole muddled mess of state by state standards that makes this a byzantine process.

    Closing the private sale loophole and limiting gun purchases could help, I would be in favor. Years ago I reported a person I knew who would buy 10 – 15 guns at a time from a certain gun store, then run them up to DC to sell them on the street. Was told there was nothing that could be done. It also scares the crap out of me that a friend’s alcoholic father has a half dozen guns of various types and when drunk flies off into a rage at the drop of a hat. If there’s a way to make a fair civil determination that someone is unfit due to mental illness, substance abuse, etc. I would be for that.

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    1. Straw purchases are already unlawful. On the application form for the background check you answer whether the firearm is for your own use, and false answers are a felony.

      The problem is that less than 1 in 1000 such crimes are prosecuted. We have all the laws we need, they just aren’t enforced as intended.

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