Stop the War. Stop US Empire.

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/01/donald-trump-war-iran-us-empire

Since the imperial propaganda machine will be turned up to 11 in the days and weeks ahead, I think it’s important that we truly evaluate how we’ve been dragged here by the ruling class, who profit off death and destruction, and remember that the United States is, and almost always has been, the bad guy. Solidarity with working class Iranians; no war but the class war.

10 thoughts on “Stop the War. Stop US Empire.

  1. The Jacobin article is characteristically unhinged.

    It claims, for example, that killing Soleimani was some sort of crime. That’s a crazy assertion on its face.

    It goes on to warn that large-scale war with Iran is immanent. This is crazy, too, if 40 years of small-scale war — by tacit design on both sides — is any guide. Such fear mongering also ignores the fact that Iran is economically weak and politically divided. Iran is unlikely to instigate a larger conflict, if it can avoid one.

    Americans should be happy that Trump killed Soleimani. It shows, among other things, that the neocon deep state is not running the show, as it appears to have been under prior administrations, or would have been under Hillary.

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    1. “It claims, for example, that killing Soleimani was some sort of crime. That’s a crazy assertion on its face.”

      Why is it “crazy?”

      “Americans should be happy that Trump killed Soleimani. It shows, among other things, that the neocon deep state is not running the show, as it appears to have been under prior administrations, or would have been under Hillary.”

      Please. Nobody had heard of General Salami before we learned he’d been vaporized.

      Also, are you suggesting that pulling out of a non-proliferation treaty and provoking Iran into a conflict is proof the neocons aren’t in charge????

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    2. RE: “Why is it ‘crazy?'”

      Because there’s no such crime as killing enemy combatants in a war zone.

      RE: “Nobody had heard of General Salami before we learned he’d been vaporized.”

      So what? Our military and intelligence agencies knew a lot about him.

      RE: “Also, are you suggesting that pulling out of a non-proliferation treaty and provoking Iran into a conflict is proof the neocons aren’t in charge?”

      Yes. Exactly that, except that, as stated, killing Soleimani isn’t terribly provacative. I assume the neocons would have preferred something really shocking, such as bombing Iran’s oil refineries.

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      1. “Because there’s no such crime as killing enemy combatants in a war zone.”

        That’s of course true, but as far as I know, we weren’t at war with Iran so I don’t know how he qualified as an enemy combatant. He was a high-ranking political figure who we assassinated.

        RE: neocons. So your basis for who is/isn’t a neocon is based solely on style? The fact that the neocons and Trump’s people (many of whom are recycled from HW Bush admin) want the exact same thing (regime change in Iran) is meaningless because you suppose the neocons of your premise might have killed different people? Why is it so important for his supporters to try to present Trump as anything other than business as usual?

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        1. RE: “as far as I know, we weren’t at war with Iran so I don’t know how he qualified as an enemy combatant.”

          Americans get shot at in Iraq. That’s enough to make the commander of the shooters an enemy combatant.

          RE: “So your basis for who is/isn’t a neocon is based solely on style?”

          Not at all. As I have repeatedly said, killing Soleimani is unrelated to any concept of regime change or starting a war that deep state neocons have pursued in the past. This fact alone indicates that the deep state neocons that once had power now have less of it.

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      2. “Because there’s no such crime as killing enemy combatants in a war zone.”
        I’m sorry. I guess I missed the part where Iraq is officially a “war zone”. I do not recall Congress authorizing a war as they did the last time….1942.

        “So what? Our military and intelligence agencies knew a lot about him.”
        Are those the same intelligence agencies that reported on Russia’s interference? I thought they were all incompetent and never accurate?

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      3. RE: “I guess I missed the part where Iraq is officially a ‘war zone’.”

        Americans get shot at in Iraq. That’s all it takes. No act of Congress is required.

        RE: “Are those the same intelligence agencies that reported on Russia’s interference?”

        Same agencies, different personnel. Your question is without merit.

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        1. “Americans get shot at in Iraq. That’s all it takes. No act of Congress is required.”

          So you go from a legal rationale, i.e., “no such crime” to a completely arbitrary definition of what constitutes a war zone? How is that remotely coherent?

          Americans get shot in America. A lot. Should the military be given carte blanche to assassinate people here too?

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        2. “Your question is without merit.” It is your answer that is without merit.

          The turnover rate at the intel agencies has been at the top levels only, not the boots on the ground folks who provide the actual reports. Mighty convenient, yet complete bull shit.

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  2. The Duvoil Crawl — “See the refineries on your hand and knees” — is coming to an end…

    Apparently, the belligerent drunk drank too much Iraqi oil, and has been asked to leave the party.

    We’ve been traipsing and staggering about the Middle East since the 1950s and it will be interesting to see what happens next. Tossed from Iran first, we crawled into and out of Lebanon, Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and now the bar tender in Iraq has cut us off and summoned the bouncer.

    “Awright, awright, I’m going,” said the memo. “Jus’ lemme find my keys…”

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