The Inspector General’s Report on 2016 FBI Spying Reveals a Scandal of Historic Magnitude: Not Only for the FBI but Also the U.S. Media

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/

While most of us agree that Trump is loathsome, it is important to remember that the cops, and especially the spooks, are not your friends.

18 thoughts on “The Inspector General’s Report on 2016 FBI Spying Reveals a Scandal of Historic Magnitude: Not Only for the FBI but Also the U.S. Media

  1. The Intercept’s anti-government and and anti-surveillance bias is on full view in their “take” on the IG report’s findings.

    Yes, the process needs to be reviewed and oversight increased, but the hyperbole is not helpful.

    I consider the Police and our Intelligent Services to be valuable and necessary components of our Country. Like our military; they are often better than we deserve….

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      1. ? I’m not sure I voiced any opposition to warrantless government surveillance.

        I do think the article’s case is overstated and a bit hysterical.

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    1. I got through little more than a third of this before I gave up. Greenwald’s connections with Snowden never sat quite right with me. And, considering that Russia, with wide open-arms, welcomed Snowden (and his ginormous stolen treasure chest of American information) – well it’s not hard to see where I’m going.

      OF COURSE Greenwald is going to paint everything he can, against America’s intel agencies. Duh!

      Odd, too, was the people who backed Snowden’s actions, including his oh-so-comfy-settling in Russia – OF ALL FREAKING PLACES! And, then we end up with the Putin/Russia-loving fella in the WH. You & I will be long gone – but, I’m sure all those dots will one day be connected.
      There is Un-American, dangerous THERE, there in my most humble opinion.

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      1. I can see I’m apparently going to be in the minority here so I’ll just say that I did read the entire article before opining on it and I consider Greenwald’s muckraking to be invaluable to an ostensibly free citizenry, and I believe Edward Snowden has done more to serve his country than any cop, alphabet soup agent, or troop.

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        1. “Edward Snowden has done more to serve his country than any cop, alphabet soup agent, or troop.”

          I have mixed feelings about Snowdens’ actions, but that comment may be one of the numbest things I’ve ever read.

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  2. I don’t understand Greenwald’s motivations here.

    On the one hand yes, the FBI’s FISA application on Carter Page contained some inaccurate / incomplete information. But to say this is a scandal of historic magnitude is not only over-the-top and wrong, it’s an indictment of Greenwald himself.

    Since 9-11, FISA applications have been used to spy on all sorts of left-leaning political groups, Muslims, and progressive organizations. This has been going on for years. Where has Greenwald been with this story for the last decade? Why now, in defense of Russia and Trump?

    Be it Greenwald, Jill Stein, the old firedoglake.com, etc. – you really have to wonder what is behind this.

    IMHO, while there were errors, the FISA application contained enough information to warrant monitoring of Carter Page. And the subsequent investigation and Mueller report certainly confirms, absent the unconstitutional Justice Department policy of not indicting a president, that Trump colluded with the Russians. To say nothing of his money laundering for Russian oligarchs in his real estate deals.

    This is simply not the example of “a scandal of historic magnitude” Greenwald claims it is.

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    1. Glenn has been fighting the good fight for years, both as an attorney and a journalist.

      He was routinely mocked and accused of being a Trump supporter for being one of the few journalists who demanded evidence of Russian hacking, etc. Now that he has been vindicated, he is taking a bit longer of a victory lap than I’d prefer, but the vitriol he received was pretty bad so I don’t necessarily blame him. That, I believe, is his motivation. It’s more an FU to “respectable” media.

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    2. You don’t see a problem with the FBI under the Obama Justice Dept defrauding the FISA court to spy on the Trump campaign?

      Carter Page is an American citizen and was working for the Trump campaign, which Obama opposed.

      Using the FBI to spy on an opposing campaign using government powers is a very big deal. Far worse than if everything trump were accused, falsely, of doing with Russia, had been true.

      We don’t need to turn the FBI into the KGB.

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  3. In my view, Snowden is the true whistleblower, and deserves a full pardon and the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

    There may not be testimony or documentation of bias but 17 errors all made against Trump’s campaign and not a single error in favor is just too unlikely to be chance.

    The 4th Amendment has not been repealed.

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    1. @tabor

      You do love that seeming “gotcha”. However, the IG report errors and omissions were about the Gates FISA (still a problem) and not the trump campaign per se.

      And for context the report clearly stated there was no anti-trump bias and that the FBI followed appropriate rules when it opened the investigation

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      1. No, the report states there was no testimonial or documentary evidence of bias. If a person said he was unbiased, that was accepted unless there was testimony of written proof to the contrary, which there never is

        Horowitz also said the misdeed were so pervasive that they could only be the result of gross incompetence or INTENT.

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          1. Did you read that?

            It said exactly what I did, that there was no testimony of documentary evidence of bias, not that there was none.

            Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Nor is it evidence of presence.

            But 17 VIOLATIONS of due process, not errors, is pretty a pretty strong reason for suspicion.

            Remember that the IG could only question those who still work for the FBI.

            As the IG said, it was either gross incompetence (by people who have not previously shown incompetence), or it was intent.

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          2. Obviously our interpretationS vary on what was meant by what was said/written.

            Assuming good faith on both our parts that probably accounts for why we don’t agree…

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          3. When you can agree to disagree and have a “good faith” conversation with an actual Trump supporter but an opinion to the left of yours is one of the “numbest” [dumbest?] things you’ve ever heard. Interesting.

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