13 thoughts on “How Mike Pence shat on the new carpet in Ireland’s spare room

  1. RE: “This is how the foreign press sees this administration.”

    So it would seem, although it is probably unwise to generalize from one, or even a few, press notices to guess the totality of foreign opinion.

    Besides, even if it were true that every foreigner in the world hated President Trump, our national interests would remain largely the same. It would still be desirable to be honest about them. Even necessary. Foreign affairs is not really a popularity contest.

    If you’re a social democrat in the United States, you’ll have to decide which is more important to you about Brexit: the expansion of European Socialism into a world system, or the express will of the British people who voted to opt out.

    The administration is backing the will of the British voters. That should be something a social democrat can support, Irish reporters notwithstanding.

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    1. Yes, our national interests remain the same no matter how much our Dear Leader is disrespected. That is very likely true. BUT, what you gloss over is the fact that our national interests – whatever they are – are ill-served when we have a buffoon as President whom no one respects.

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    2. RE: “what you gloss over is the fact that our national interests – whatever they are – are ill-served when we have a buffoon as President whom no one respects.”

      I addressed this by writing, “Foreign affairs is not really a popularity contest.”

      That is to say, I don’t think it matters much what people think of our president.

      I might add that despite the unfavorable remarks the Irish Times published, Trump and Pence at least demonstrate the virtue of having a policy position on Brexit and standing up for it. I happen to agree with the position, but even if I didn’t, I see little reason to call our two executives buffoons over it.

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      1. If you are going to pretend that – in pursuit of our national interests – having a leader widely laughed at and disrespected is somehow no different than having a leader who IS respected and admired then you are exhibiting your traditional goofy counterfactual obtuseness.

        It is, of course, totally buffoonish for American politicians to stick their noses in the internal affairs of a traditional ally but that was not what prompted me to use that word. Oh no. It is about four years now of very public very buffoonery by our former TV clown of a President.

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    3. ” . . . the expansion of European Socialism into a world system, or the express will of the British people who voted to opt out.”

      One of the biggest leftist critiques of the EU is its bylaws make Socialism, or even a robust welfare state illegal. You will recall that Greece was unable to restructure its debt or abandon the Euro, or much of anything to alleviate its situation, because EU regulations mandated they strip their country for parts to settle up with the northern banks. I know linking Socialism to Europe is more a reflex at this point, but it is demonstrably false.

      Regarding “the express will of the British people,” I’m glad you have finally come around to the idea of respecting the popular vote. Are you starting to warm up to democracy?

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  2. “…the expansion of European Socialism into a world system…”

    Affordable healthcare and education is that bad?

    Most of Europe is pretty darn capitalistic, but they have decent social services for their citizens.

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    1. RE: “Affordable healthcare and education is that bad?”

      Have you made your choice, then, as a presumptive social democrat? That being: Damn the people’s vote, European Socialism must grow.

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      1. The political impulse behind Brexit had little to do with opposing “socialism” and everything to do with racism and xenophobia. Just as for us the British economy depends totally on immigration and just like for us, the most ill educated and economically marginal people need a scapegoat for their sorry lives – immigrants who can enter freely from poorer countries of the European Union. In addition, just like the Trump campaign, the campaign for Brexit was a mishmash of “alternative facts” pushed by liars and charlatans.

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