Putin partisans angrily reject the voice of reason, but in this discussion, Boris Nadezhdin dared to speak the truth.
A dose of reality on Russian TV.
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RE: “Boris Nadezhdin dared to speak the truth.”
What truth is that?
Nadezhdin asserts that the West has a greater industrial capacity than Russia. Others on the panel argue that the West’s theoretical advantage doesn’t exist in practice.
Personally, I agree with Nadezhdin that a negotiated end to the war is the most desirable outcome. The West’s theoretical industrial advantage can only prolong the unnecessary killing which — barring an unlikely NATO escalation — can only continue until Ukraine is utterly destroyed.
What the video shows me is that public policy debate in Russia is more realistic than in the West.
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“What truth is that?
It is pretty clear if you are not willfully blind.
In essence the truth he is telling is that Russia is playing out of its league and ought to end the “adventure” that it started. It is not up to Ukraine or America. It is up to Russia to end the war.
And, unlike in this country, it takes courage to oppose a government that manages to find lots of high windows to toss people from.
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In other words the truth is just your opinion, supported by no facts but based on a disputed contention in a Russian video.
Talk about “willfully blind.”
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It is NOT just my opinion that Russia cannot even come close to matching the military and industrial might of the West. It is the simple and very obvious FACT. As is the FACT that Russia started this “adventure.”
There is NOTHING willfully blind about any of what I posted. Duh!
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RE: “It is NOT just my opinion that Russia cannot even come close to matching the military and industrial might of the West.”
A fool with friends is still a fool.
As I wrote: “The West’s theoretical industrial advantage can only prolong the unnecessary killing which — barring an unlikely NATO escalation — can only continue until Ukraine is utterly destroyed.”
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“A fool with friends is still a fool.”
Mr. Roberts, you only further embarrass yourself when you stupidly call people names.
I am not relying on “friends.” It is a FACT that Russia’s military and its economy is puny compared to the West. That is a FACT that can lead to your being harmed when you say it in Russia. Mr. Nadezhdin risks a lot for telling the TRUTH in Putin’s Russia. He should be commended for his courage.
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RE: “It is a FACT that Russia’s military and its economy is puny compared to the West.”
No, it is not a FACT. It is merely an inference based on comparing the West’s potential military industrial production with Russia’s actual production. It may also be a meaningless inference based on Russian nuclear stocks and various superior Russian weapons.
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“No, it is not a FACT”
Of course, it is a FACT. Now you are just being ridiculous.
The U.S. military and economy alone dwarf’s Russia’s. But the comparison made by Mr. Nadezhdin was with “The West.” That includes USA, UK, France, Germany, Belgium Canada, Benelux, Poland, and MANY more.
You talk of Russia’s superior weapons? That, too, is ridiculous. One of the many ways they have hurt themselves with this criminal war is by puncturing the myth of their supposed superiority. Not a sign of it.
That you repeatedly and flatly deny obvious facts has long been noted. It is very odd.
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RE: “You talk of Russia’s superior weapons? That, too, is ridiculous. One of the many ways they have hurt themselves with this criminal war is by puncturing the myth of their supposed superiority. Not a sign of it.”
Right. No sign of satelite-based ISR, the S-400 air defense radar, the T-90 tank or hypersonic missiles.
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“Right. No sign of satelite-based ISR, the S-400 air defense radar, the T-90 tank or hypersonic missiles.”
Continued ridiculous pro-Russia nonsense. “Superiority” is a relative term. Russia is not superior to NATO in technology nor in operating that technology as they have amply demonstrated in Ukraine.
You really think Russian ISR is superior to ours. Their air defenses? Their tanks (if they have any left after losing 1000s)? It turns out the T-90M tanks are not quite as invinciple as Russian propaganda would have you believe . . .
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-loses-15-called-invincible-093200972.html
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RE: “Russia is not superior to NATO in technology nor in operating that technology as they have amply demonstrated in Ukraine.”
And yet, Ukraine has been unable to breach the Russian defense line or prevent Russian territorial gains for more than three months.
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“A fool with friends is still a fool.”
Yet you appear to be a sad and LONELY fool. Friends or not.
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So what?
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Just an observation
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It doesn’t really matter how many weapons we can build if Ukraine doesn’t have anyone left to carry them
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He said gleefully.
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I have been advocating for peace for over a year, you are the warmonger.
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“I have been advocating for peace for over a year, you are the warmonger.”
You have been advocating for Ukraine to surrender for over a year and now you cheerfully and falsely suggest that Ukraine has lost all of its soldiers. You have been advocating for Putin and spreading his egregious lies. Period.
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Cheerfully?
Hardly. I pointed out the Russia isn’t going to lose and that accepting the inevitable saves a generation of lives.
Remember that I have often said that Robert E Lee’s greatest triumph was at Appomattox, when he defied Jefferson Davis and surrendered when he saw no path to victory, in order to spare both Confederate and Union lives.
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I suggest my post about Putin = Nero.
Russia burns while Putin fiddles with Ukraine.
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The Confederacy was not fighting for its survival against a dictator. It was fighting specifically to preserve slavery as oft quoted in the articles of secession in several states.
Big difference.
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Not to the guys in the trenches.
A Yankee boot on Southern soil uninvited was reason enough to go to war.
Less than 1 in 4 Southern families could afford even a single slave. Maybe for the elite slavery was the issue, but not for Lee or his men,
To them, their homeland was being invaded.
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…”their homeland was being invaded.”.
Still pushing the Lost Cause/State’s Rights lie? Their homeland’s LEADERS were traitorous to the Construction and the Rule of Law. It was the quelling of a rebellion.
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Read more carefully.
Yes, the elite wanted war over slavery, but most of the southern soldiers worked in competition with the slave owning plantations. The end of slavery was to their advantage.
You guys are really bad at walking a mile in the other guy’s shoes.
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You have been advocating for Ukraine to disappear. Give him what he wants and it all stops? I don’t buy it. And any one with intelligence can see the similarities to 1930’s Germany.
Have a nice day, Mr. Chamberlain.
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Never said that.
I said from the beginning that Ukraine needed to let the Eastern Oblasts go their own way. The rest of Ukraine was never in contention.
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You mean the same oblasts that were invaded by Kremlin backed troops to support the separatists? The same oblasts, that if seceded to Russia would provide a land bridge Putin so desperately wants.
Appeasement is NOT the answer. Yet that is exactly what you are calling for. You just see it differently than most people.
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Well, just keep fighting to the last Ukranian if pointless bloodshed is your thing.
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You REALLY need to read the piece I posted this morning.
As far as “the last Ukrainian” goes, maybe you should be talking to them. They are fighting for their survival. When that occurs, the choice is made by those doingt the fighting.
You want us to be Neville Chamberlain’s and appease Russia’s imperialist moves.
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” . . . but not for Lee”
Robert E. Lee owned and controlled hundreds of slaves. He was a very senior member of the elite who fully understood that the fight was to keep slavery. He does not deserve the pass you Lost Causers would give him. He was a traitor to his country and fought to keep an evil institution. Countless thousands died because of him. You do not get much more evil than that.
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Lee’s wife inherited Arlington Plantation.
Her father had refused to break up slave families, so Arlington had a great deal more slaves than it could usefully employ and fell into debt. Lee was the executor of the estate, and had the instructions to free the slaves in 8 years, or sooner if the plantation could be restored to solvency.
Lee solved the problem by renting slaves so the families would not be permanently broken up and released them ahead of schedule.
He was an honorable man in a dishonorable reality.
It is easy almost 200 years later in a totally different reality to judge,
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More Lost Cause alternative history.
Lee went to court to break the will which required he set the slaves free in five years. There was no honor involved. Just money.
https://www.nps.gov/arho/learn/historyculture/robert-e-lee-and-slavery.htm
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RE: “It doesn’t really matter how many weapons we can build if Ukraine doesn’t have anyone left to carry them”
Well put. Clausewitz nods.
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