Is Washington’s Dangerous Ukraine Boondoggle Starting to Unravel?

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Source: Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity.

Finally we are seeing signs that political support for the war in Ukraine may diminish. Ron Paul thinks a Ukrainian missile strike inside Poland last week was a precipitating event. Two others are:

  • The execution of 12 Russian POWs in Makiivka by Ukrainian soldiers.
  • Allegations that disgraced crypto currency firm FTX engaged in money laundering in Ukraine that helped to fund political donations in the U.S.

Stories like these are bound to proliferate, eventually to erode the rhetoric of virtue signaling on Ukraine. Why should the U.S. support a lying dictatorship that murders innocents and enriches the Democratic Party?

It shouldn’t.

Published by John Todd Roberts

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45 thoughts on “Is Washington’s Dangerous Ukraine Boondoggle Starting to Unravel?”

  1. You need to stop taking Russian propaganda at face value. The so-called “execution” appears to have been a tragic misunderstanding by soldiers with their nerves on edge. I trust The Guardian over Putin every day of the week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/18/russia-says-ukrainian-soldiers-executed-prisoners-of-war-in-donbas-region

    The same kind of mindless faith that some have in, say, John Durham is evident in this wishful thinking about Ukraine’s always imminent defeat. Here is something you need to understand – reality is going to trump your daydreams every time. In this case, the reality is that Ukraine has Russia on the run and Dictator Putin will be lucky to survive after his catastrophic bungling.

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    1. RE: “The so-called ‘execution’ appears to have been a tragic misunderstanding by soldiers with their nerves on edge.”

      Nice weasel words, “appears to be.”

      RE: “In this case, the reality is that Ukraine has Russia on the run and Dictator Putin will be lucky to survive after his catastrophic bungling.”

      What a joke. Except for a few minor advances, the Russian defense lines haven’t budged an inch since the beginning of the month. Apart from that, Putin’s approval rating remains nearly 80% in Russia.

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      1. “The execution of 12 Russian POWs in Makiivka by Ukrainian soldiers.”

        Minor crime compared to the numerous atrocities perpetrated by the Russian forces against Ukrainian civilians throughout the country. But according to you , they never happened.

        “Putin’s approval rating remains nearly 80% in Russia.”

        The other 20% were not asked or are the oligarchs who are starting to turn on him.

        Well, if YOU were threatened with imprisonment or being disappeared, you might approve to save your own ass, too.

        Trump’s approval rating was over 50% briefly, one time. He could never reach the level of his “boss”, no matter how hard he tried to tell us how popular he was.

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        1. RE: “Minor crime compared to the numerous atrocities perpetrated by the Russian forces against Ukrainian civilians throughout the country. But according to you , they never happened.”

          Do you have sources?

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      2. Nice weasel words, “appears to be.”

        Based on the description of the video provided by The Guardian “appears to be” is the only honest way to express it. Typical of you to characterize an honest non-hyperbolic statement as “weasel words.”

        “What a joke.”
        I will remind you again – you should not rely on Russian propaganda for information.

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  2. There will always be violations and atrocities in a war. Compare this event to the thousands of civilians rounded up in Russian occupied towns and beaten, tortured and killed. Human rights organizations have verified most of it. Mass graves have been found. Stolen goods from local inhabitants are the norm.

    Weasel those for us if you can.

    Russia is not winning now, nor will they prevail in my opinion. But they are attacking civilian infrastructure to terrorize the population since they can’t defeat the Ukrainian military.

    The incredible amount of artillery and missile barrages against civilians have only shown the world what a pariah Putin was and continues to be. Kharkiv and Kherson, along with many smaller towns and villages have been given back by retreating Russians. Even abandoning their dead and wounded plus lots of materiel. Conscripts who are telling their stories of no training, bad weapons, no food, commanders abandoning them and even having to buy their own equipment. Mothers are learning the facts slowly, but surely and the word is getting around that their sons are cannon fodder.

    But keep cheering them on.

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    1. RE: “Compare this event to the thousands of civilians rounded up in Russian occupied towns and beaten, tortured and killed. Human rights organizations have verified most of it.”

      Do you have sources?

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      1. https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas?gclid=Cj0KCQiAg_KbBhDLARIsANx7wAxD1ZX42yIW0PIkr0lfmVTlIRGpG6H6RiMOnIg4hHh0rp5uCgchsFIaAmRFEALw_wcB

        https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/new-report-un-human-rights-shows-shocking-toll-war-ukraine-enruuk

        https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-un-report-war-crimes-russia/32090144.html

        https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/events/russian-war-crimes-ukraine

        I could keep adding them, but you will attempt to discredit them anyway. If they aren’t YOUR sources, they are unreliable, or at worst, flat out lies.

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        1. Interesting blog post. Unfortunately, it admits ignorance at the end, and doesn’t answer my question: What are the sources that verify your claim about “thousands of civilians rounded up in Russian occupied towns and beaten, tortured and killed.”

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          3. Try some of the links from the blog. He gives one from Foreign Affairs regarding the actions of FSB in Ukraine.

            He doesn’t admit ignorance unless you say so.

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          4. Foreign Affairs is behind a paywall for me, but if it substantiates your claim, the blog writer of your original comment would have an answer to his question: “My question here is a simple one: how extensive is the involvement of the FSB in the widespread and horrific atrocities that have come to light in Kherson, Bucha, and many other locations in previously occupied Ukraine?”

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          5. Quoting the blogger’s question about the degree of FSB culpability is a swing and a miss.

            The atrocities DID occur and have been well-documented. As the blogger makes clear there are many Russian entities that might be culpable. FSB is his leading candidate, but there are others. That he does not know which Russian group deserves the blame is not evidence that the atrocities did not happen. From his post . . .

            “Any list of possible suspects in ordering and committing systemic and horrific atrocities in Kherson and other Ukraine locations will certainly include these potential actors: rogue low-level occupation units, mid- to high-level military commanders, the Wagner Group and its presumed commander, Dmitri Utkin, forces commanded by Chechen militia leader Ramzan Kadyrov, and Putin’s secret security serve, the FSB. It goes without saying that Vladimir Putin bears ultimate responsibility for these atrocities, since he knows full well that Russian forces are committing these horrendous acts, and we can therefore infer either explicit or implicit consent on his part.”

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        1. Old in that they aren’t from November 1, 2022. You do realize that this invasion started in February of 20222 and the atrocities have been occurring since the beginning.

          Your denial of them is just more Russian cheerleading.📣

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      2. Discounting the world’s media in favor of Russian propaganda stooges is not credulous, in my opinion.

        “ And the world must hold Russia and its bureaucrats of atrocity accountable for their actions during this war.” From the blog.

        Sums up what I said.

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        1. You claim that “thousands of civilians [were] rounded up in Russian occupied towns and beaten, tortured and killed.” Mr. Green’s sources document only a few dozen of war crime victims, some of which (like Bucha) have not held up over time and remain unresolved.

          I wouldn’t go around accusing people of succumbing to Russian propaganda when you can’t even substantiateg your own claims.

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          1. We have gone over this and you keep beating the same drum.

            Bucha has not held up?

            You won’t accept any sources other than yours, period. So I rest my case.

            Either the sources are “fake news” (Trump cult much?), all Western media is bad, or you did not witness it yourself.

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          2. RE: “Bucha has not held up?”

            No. Investigators found that many of the dead in Bucha were killed by a type of flechette (shrapnel) weapon that either Ukrainian or Russian forces might have been using at the time. Because of that ambiguity, and other anomolies, references to the Bucha atrocity pretty much ceased to appear in media reports.

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          1. You are correct. “Gullible” is one of the definitions. I always said the I learn something new every single day. “Credible” is what I meant, but then I would not have learned the true definition of credulous.

            English is such a wonderful language. Being a natural born Swede, I grew up speaking the language. My father used to marvel at English being incredibly “ordrik”, a rich vocabulary, compared to Swedish. English has embraced words from so many other languages, ancient and modern.

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  3. What you call a Washington Boondoggle, is nothing of the sort. It is disingenuous and a load of crap to refer to it that way. Supporting an ally that has been invaded by a bully next door is not a boondoggle; it is part of our foreign policy.

    We’ve tried isolationism in the past. It, like trickle down economics, NEVER works. But like a good right wing supporter, it just has to be tried over and over and over again.

    You know the saying about the definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

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  4. The question may soon be moot. The man who tried to instigate a civil war in our country may soon be enjoying one in his country. (Ain’t Karma a b!tch?)

    https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-fsb-letters-civial-war-putin-allies-prigozhin-kadyrov-1760455

    Leaked emails “reveal a civil war among President Vladimir Putin’s closest allies as his invasion of Ukraine continues to falter.”

    “Chaos, civil war, collapse—yes, it’s all ahead of us. It is inevitable,” the FSB agent said. “Too many in Russia have crossed the point of no return. They plan to be little czars in the areas they manage to capture. At least, that’s the way they are thinking.”

    If casinos open in Virginia in time, maybe they’ll take bets on who will replace Putin. Ramzan Kadyrov is a contenter, but my money would be on Yevgeny Prigozhin.

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  5. There are no good guys there. there are only competing bad guys. One set of bad guys interests align with the American people and the other set’s interests align with the Biden family,

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    1. “There are no good guys there. there are only competing bad guys. ”

      So, Russian fascists annexing neighboring countries aligns with the interest of the American people and Ukraine defending itself benefits only the Biden family. Somehow.

      If our support for Ukraine is just for the benefit of the Biden family why did the Congress – and NATO – overwhelmingly approve providing them the means to fight back?

      You have really jumped the shark with this ignorant lunacy.

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        2. “Zelensky has a great PR team.“

          You say that like it is a bad thing. Fighting wars is very dependent upon getting a message out that supports and energizes a combatant’s position. Russia is flooding the world with propaganda to guild their blood red lilies.

          For that matter, every war we have been a part of has been sold to Americans in the best light.

          Considering the gross mismatch in actual troop numbers and materiel, getting support from likeminded allies is crucial. Having Russia try to push its borders closer into NATO is a threat, and as we are witnessing, a serious one.

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        1. “There is a democracy involved?”

          Uh, Ukraine is a democracy and its President was chosen by the voters in a free and fair election. The first round had 39 candidates. The second round was between the top two – the current President (Poroshenko) and Zelenskyy. There was a 62% turnout in the second round and Zelenskyy garnered 73% of the vote. So, quit playing the fool. It is not a good look.

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          2. You have zero proof o back your assertion. Just baseless speculation based strictly on your apparent hatred for Ukraine. Possibly based on the fact that Zelensky didn’t do “a favor” for TFG when attempting to extort Ukraine.

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          5. “Ukraine has been ranked as the most corrupt . . . ”

            That worst three ranking was from 2012. Zelensky ran and won decisively on an anti-corruption platform. If you think this past corruption is a bona fide justification for your pulling for Putin, think again. Russia from the same article was more corrupt.

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