Good ideas don’t require coercion

Teachers group conspires to demonize parents

If it’s happening in Louden, we had best watch out for it everywhere.

Critical Race Theory is really a trojan horse for Marxism.

47 thoughts on “Good ideas don’t require coercion

    1. Is there something specific in the source you wish to criticize? If not, then your denigrations are useless.

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      1. Call it what you like. These are not reliable organizations. There is no good reason to take ANY reporting they might do at face value.

        Race has been the elephant in the room of American political life for centuries. The study and understanding of its impacts is long past due. To call such study a “Trojan horse for Marxism” is – well – a joke.

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        1. RE: “These are not reliable organizations. There is no good reason to take ANY reporting they might do at face value.”

          So you say. Why should anyone believe you? If you think there’s something wrong in the source, but you can’t or won’t identify it, then no one should believe you.

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          1. RE: “You may not like my opinions, but I have NEVER lied to you.”

            I have no reason to like opinions that have no justification. Here you say PJ Media lies all the time. If that’s true, you should be able to point out the lies in the current piece. But, lazily, you don’t even try. More significantly, if there are no lies in the current piece, your opinion is both wrong and useless.

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          2. Lazily?

            Uh, I have no way to fact check this story. However, thanks to you, I am very familiar with the lack of journalistic, ethical and intellectual standards that characterize these sites. I know how they are always exaggerating and distorting anything that might float the boat of people like you. So, I do not trust them on ANYTHING.

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          3. RE: “Uh, I have no way to fact check this story.”

            In that case, you have not basis for accusing this story of lying. Your intellectual dishonesty is easy to see.

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          4. Your accusation of my being “intellectually dishonest” is simply stupid. It shows again you have no idea what you are talking about.

            Trust has to be earned. If someone constantly betrays that trust by telling porkies then it is NOT “intellectually dishonest” to say what I did – that there is no reason to take their reporting at face value. That does not say they are lying in this instance. But they are providing unverifiable “facts” and those “facts” cannot be trusted.

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          1. Re: “Racism would have died decades ago but for the efforts of Democrats to keep it alive.”

            Lifted from “Things that clueless white people say?”
            Things like . . .

            “I’m the least racist person in the room.” -DJT
            “It’s not my job to fix racism because I’m not racist.”
            “I don’t have white privilege.”
            “There’s no need to worry about the police if you’re not doing anything illegal.”

            Seriously, if there was such a compilation of really clueless things that white people say, this silly comment could be on the list.

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          2. Clueless things white people say” Like

            ““If we are honest with ourselves,” too many fathers are “missing — missing from too many lives and too many homes. They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men.” Then-Sen. Obama went on to say, “Children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison.”

            I guess that was the white half speaking.

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          3. Uh, that statement was not exactly clueless.

            Nor does it support the clueless accusation that “Racism would have died decades ago but for the efforts of Democrats to keep it alive.”

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          4. Uh, I think you will find that members of the Asian-American community are very concerned about the recent sharp increases in racially motivated violence against them in the wake of Trump’s ongoing “Kung Flu” rhetoric about the pandemic.

            https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/asian-americans-hate-incidents-report/index.html

            I think you will also find that Asian-Americans believe that this fellow going out of his way to gun down Asian women was not just some sad coincidence.

            Finally, the perpetrator does not get to be the authority on what was motivated by racial hatred. The facts of whom he targeted are very clear.

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          5. Yes, as the FBI reported, he targeted sex workers who he regarded as temptation to relapse from his sex addiction treatment.

            3 of my grandchildren are half Asian, and if they face any discrimination, it is based on academic performance, not race. There is a clear bias among Democrats against excellence.

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          6. “There is a clear bias among Democrats against excellence.”

            LOL! Says the unrepentant Trump supporter. Just like they keep racism alive, right?

            Are you going to deny the fact that Asian-Americans have been subjected to increasing hostility and violence as a result of Donald Trump’s constant finger-pointing and lies about China’s role in the pandemic? Are you going to deny, that whatever the maniac said about his “reasons” his victims were Asian women?

            The media reports the facts of the crime and the reaction of the Asian-American community and you attribute sinister motives to their doing so. Sad.

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          7. What kind of “cite” would you accept?
            What does the FBI know about what is in someone’s mind? The fellow is clearly deranged which makes that impossible task even harder. They can only say that it “does not appear to be racially motivated” based on interviewing the killer. The “witness” in this case has a strong motive to deny racial motivation since hate crimes are a thing under the law.

            The fact is he sought out Asian women to murder. And, believe it or not – being a sex addict and being a racist are not mutually exclusive.

            The rush to exclude racial motivation is one of the things that is upsetting Asian-Americans.

            https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/spa-shooter-bad-day-racist-facebook

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          8. What does what the cop that gave the interview have to do with the motive of the killer?

            The women were shot because they were sex workers, not because they were Asian.

            The FBI found nothing to indicate otherwise. You are just presuming race was involved based on your own view of other people. You see racism and greed everywhere you look.

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      1. Don’t play games with me. I know exactly what it is, racist tripe. Do you or are you pushing another parody of what it isn’t?

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          1. The definition is readily available on line. Look it up yourself. Google racist trash for starters.

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        1. Honestly, I am not playing games with you. I think it is one of those terms that means different things to different people. It is a term that means virtually nothing to me. I assume it is the idea that race has been ignored in historical, sociological and economic analysis. But that is an assumption. If my assumption is right, it does not seem to be an idea that would arouse emotions.

          So, what is “critical race theory?”

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          1. It is the belief that the judicial and economic systems are inherently racist and that whit people utilize them to exploit black people. Horse shit in other words. There is no grand conspiracy in justice or economics against black people. Racist Malcom X, NOI and MLK trash. If you want to be honest, every race has its racists including blacks but the overwhelming majority of us just live in racial harmony. Except, of course, those pushing critical race,theory or any other racist blame game.

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          2. Okay, thanks for the clarification of what you think it is. I don’t really have much to say about it except that, in general, I do not believe in conspiracy theories to explain things that have better and simpler explanations.

            I think it is an undeniable fact that historically minorities have been disadvantaged in the justice system and in economic life and that white racism and/or white privilege has a lot to do with it – conscious or unconscious. But some sort of conspiracy? No.

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  1. RE: “Critical Race Theory is really a Trojan horse for Marxism.”

    That’s one way to put it.

    Ideology aside, I find the behavior of the teachers group most concerning. You would think that public school employees would see themselves as servants of the public, not political activists who compile enemies lists of their own clients and formulate plans to attack them.

    That roles and responsibilities appear to have disintegrated so thoroughly suggests that something is amiss in the incentive structure of the public school system. Clearly, the teachers are not bound by any particular contract with the parents.

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  2. The article implies sinister motives by very frightening and powerful public school teachers, but all it really says is that they discussed publicizing the names of parents who disagreed with the curriculum.

    I know we’re all supposed to clutch our pearls at the mention of CRT and Marxism, but I’m curious to know what those of you who feel so threatened by these things think they are, and, specifically, how CRT is “really a Trojan horse for Marxism.”

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    1. RE: “I’m curious to know what those of you who feel so threatened by these things think they are, and, specifically, how CRT is ‘really a Trojan horse for Marxism.'”

      I think CRT is an offshoot of critical theory, which is a body of sociological thought based on Immanuel Kant’s definition of critique and exemplified by Karl Marx in Das Kapital. Critical theory as a formal discipline is generally associated with the Frankfurt School.

      CRT is a Trojan horse for Marxism in a number of different ways. One is its historical connection with Marxian political economy through the Frankfurt School. This is a problem because Marxian economic theories all derive from a flawed premise called “surplus supply” which no contemporary economist supports. Another is critical theory’s Freudian social psychology, which is analogous to the Marxian concept of false consciousness. Yet another is critical theory’s preoccupation with social evolution which, like Marx’s dialectic, anticipates a utopian future.

      These characteristics are threatening because they are irrational.

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      1. I’d say that write-up is mostly correct in that CT is a derivative of Marxism and CRT is a derivative of CT, but now we’re straying pretty far from the original. In any case, that could maybe be an argument that Marxism leads to CRT, NOT vise-versa.

        While Marx kept a correspondence with Lincoln and followed the events of the American Civil War, he had little to say about race issues, writing as he was about mostly white Germany and England. Most modern Marxists are ambivalent at best about CRT and idpol, generally. Liberals’ laser-like fixation on race and identity (intentionally, in my opinion) distracts from working class solidarity and fractures the movement.

        Just because an idea is new to you and contrasts with the ideology we grow up in doesn’t make it “flawed” or “irrational.” Economists who are awarded degrees in capitalist economics are naturally going to disagree with competing theories. That means nothing. Also, maybe you mean “surplus value?” I’m unaware of Marx discussing surplus supply.

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        1. RE: “that could maybe be an argument that Marxism leads to CRT, NOT vise-versa.”

          The order of causation doesn’t matter.

          RE: “he [Marx] had little to say about race issues.”

          Little, perhaps, but not nothing:

          https://stoppingsocialism.com/2020/06/karl-marx-racism-quotes/

          RE: “Just because an idea is new to you and contrasts with the ideology we grow up in doesn’t make it ‘flawed’ or ‘irrational.'”

          You assume too much. CT and CRT are not new to me at all. I describe them as irrational because they are not empirical.

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      1. “Capitalism abhors coercion.”

        You live in a dream world. It runs on coercion. The very real and constant threat of being summarily dismissed from employment that is vital to your family for almost any reason is a form of coercion. Other capitalist countries have recognized this aspect of capitalism and done far more than we have to deal with it.

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        1. That is only true if you, and not your employer owns the job.

          You offer your labor and the employer buys it. He is under no obligation to continue to buy from you any more than you are under an obligation to buy groceries from Food Lion and not some other store.

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          1. If you made a point, I don’t see it.

            If you decide to buy your groceries at Harris Teeter instead of Food Lion, have you coerced Food Lion, or given them an incentive to provide better service?

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          2. “I don’t see it.”

            Of course you don’t see it. You bring to the discussion a moral compass on which a human being is on an equal footing with a milling machine. The idea that an industrialist has a moral obligation to such a machine is nonsense to me. The idea that an industrialist has a moral obligation to an employee is nonsense to you.

            In your dream world the threat of imposing economic ruin ALWAYS in the whip hand of the employer is not coercive. In the real world experienced by hundreds of millions of bread winners, it is.

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          3. A good employee is very valuable to an employer.

            Of course, my experience might be different, but with the time and effort you must invest to train an employee it is as much a problem for the employer if one of them leaves as it is for the employee when you have to let one go.

            It’s not something you do lightly.

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          4. Yeah, sure.

            But as you were managing your practice you always had the threat of summary dismissal hanging over each and every one of your employees. That coercive threat need never even be expressed but that does not mean that it is not always present. Your drill or x-ray machine did not have to worry about feeding their families. Your employees did. They had to always be concerned that YOU might decide that they were not a “good employee.”

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          5. Your “argument” such as it is, is based on the notion that there is some sort of equality of power in the transaction. There is not. They have more at risk – their livelihood while you risked some inconvenience and/or extra work.

            In addition, you are arguing based on a very specialized workplace with very specialized requirements. That is not a typical workplace. Why do you suppose that workers at, say, Amazon would like to unionize and Billionaire owners like, say, Jeff Bezos do everything they can to stop that from happening? The answer is obvious – in our form of capitalism individuals are almost powerless and are routinely coercively exploited by their employers.

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