Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?

Source: The Unz Review.

I expect we’ll be hearing more about Excited Delirium Syndrome as time goes by. I wish to draw attention to it for the moment mainly to acknowledge that EXD is one of the violent realities police face in the normal course of their jobs.

I don’t know whether EXD can or will be implicated in George Floyd’s death, but it seems to me a more relevant factor than cultural Marxist theories of police brutality, systemic racism and social oppression.

27 thoughts on “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?

  1. Interesting, but bullshit. If that were the case why did the coroner CHANGE the cause of death to homicide after an independent forensics expert found otherwise? If it were truly a drug situation, there would have been no reason for him/her to change his findings.

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    1. “I don’t know whether EXD can or will be implicated in George Floyd’s death…”

      I have little interest in that issue, for the reasons given, and I don’t know why the coroner changed the cause of death. About that I would simply note that it wouldn’t be the first time a coroner expressed a false or politically correct opinion on a cause of death. A famous example might be the official coroner’s report on Jeffry Epstein.

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    2. Yes, “Interesting, but bullshit…” and ALWAYS from the same commenters.

      I can’t recall a single black man killed in a highly controversial manner by a white policeman where these aforementioned commenters DIDN’T side with the police.

      I get WHY they can’t ever believe that the killed black man didn’t HAVE to die. I’m just slightly surprised they think no one sees their true reason for the ‘side’ they most often support.

      Just sayin’; it’s no wonder the black communities in this country have had about as much of that ‘bullshit’ as they will quietly accept.

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        1. North Charleston, South Carolina. If it was such a righteous shoot, why plant the taser? Never mind, that cop’s in prison.
          Or
          Follow commands and still…

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          1. Those are both examples of a rush to judgment.

            First, do you know the context of either of the initial stops? Was it really for a minor traffic violation, or was it because the officer thought the driver might be wanted and sought a closer look? Did the officer think he might be dealing with a dangerous fugitive?

            In the SC case, the victim fled the stop, and fought the officer when he was caught. I don’t know where you get that the taser was planted. In the news accounts, the officer had tried to use it to stop the fleeing suspect and had lost control of it.

            Officer was not convicted by the state, but accepted a plea deal from the Feds for rights violations.

            In the video, the suspect (again we don’t know the reason for the original stop) was asked for his license and instead of reaching for his wallet, turned and reached into his truck.

            Again, if the officer thinks he has stopped a dangerous fugitive, that will get you shot every time, as if the officer waits to see what he is reaching for, it will be too late.

            But we see this often, when a video looks damning out of context, you can’t rush to judgment until you know the totality of the situation.

            In these two situations, the officers might well have overreacted, but you have to look at it from the officer’s point of view and not rush to judgment based on an out-of-context video.

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          2. There is no video of any policeman doing that, nor any eyewitness testimony, only the prosecutor’s statement.

            Prosecutors can say anything, they aren’t under oath. They routinely exaggerate and even outright lie. I’ve watched them do it in court.

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          3. Don’t know, but given they have a dead body then maybe because there was nothing to prove it was the taser, why bother to charge. It may not have even been presented in court. I think it looks damning

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  2. I’ve read the autopsy. You can too. Floyd looked like a big, strong man, but he was as fragile as wet tissue paper.

    Autopsy

    Floyd was not strangled. His trachea was not compressed. His breathing may have been impaired, but not blocked, by the pressure on his back.

    He had an enlarged heart, indicative of progressive heart failure. His 3 coronary arteries were 75%, 75% and 90% occluded.

    Ischemic(oxygen deprived) heart muscle becomes hyper-excitable, and vulnerable to fatal arrhythmia. In addition, he had clinical levels of methamphetamine in his system, which also increases the tendency to arrhythmia.

    He also had sickle cell trait, with 38% S-hemoglobin, which doesn’t carry oxygen well.

    My best guess is that the poor cardiac circulation, sickle cell trait and the pressure on his back combined to lower the oxygen to his failing heart triggered a fatal arrhythmia.

    It is very likely that Chauvin meant to subdue Floyd, but not knowing he was so fragile, put too much pressure on his back, triggering the fatal ventricular fibrillation. .

    His death was the result of Chauvin’s actions, but clearly unintentional.

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    1. …”likely that Chauvin meant to subdue Floyd”…

      He was in handcuffs and on the ground. How much more subdued does he need to be with 4 cops standing around him?

      Your defense, while scientifically possible, is disgusting. You are giving a pass to a cop with 18 complaints against him prior to the Floyd arrest. And you cannot say honestly that it was unintentional without knowing Chauvin’s mind. I’ve been accused of mind reading before. Now you are doing the same thing.

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      1. To prove murder, the prosecution must show intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt. Given Floyd’s invisible fragility, I don’t see how that is possible.

        It is true that Floyd was in cuffs, but remember that he had already been put into the police vehicle, and had gone right out the other side door, which had been left ajar. He was being subdued for the second time. That does not mean Chauvin’s methods were not excessive, but they can’t be proven to be intentionally deadly.

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      2. BTW, it doesn’t matter if Chauvin had no prior complaints of 100, he is guilty or innocent based on what happened THIS TIME, and as he saw it based on what he knew at the time.

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        1. Likewise the dead person. It matters not that he was arrested nearly 2 decades ago for armed robbery and served his time. Yet, that is brought to light as the usual tactic of trashing the murder victim.

          Kind of like trashing the rape victim.

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        1. Yes, I do. and as a result early COPD.

          Note that I am not saying Floyd’s breathing was not impaired, just that he had enough airflow to speak, thus his trachea was open. The knee on his neck was not the problem.

          The pressure on his back in a prone position would have prevented him from breathing deeply. For someone in is poor medical condition that could well have been enough, and in fact, just the exertion of the struggle might have been enough to trigger ventricular fibrillation.

          Exertional dyspnea

          But that peril would not have been visible or expected in a big, healthy looking man.

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          1. “…just that he had enough airflow to speak, thus his trachea was open.”

            You can speak a bit with exhalation, but still not get enough oxygen to not feel smothered.

            Besides, I believe the knee was on the neck for a good while after he stopped begging.

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          2. Refer to the autopsy, the cartilage of the trachea was not fractured, which is required for strangulation.

            His shortness of breath was due either to the pressure on his back or the exertion of his struggles, or more likely a combination of the 2.

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