A Lesson to be learned

CDC test problems

DO NOT single source. Especially if the single source is government. And do not put the FDA in charge of selecting suppliers.

 

26 thoughts on “A Lesson to be learned

  1. “ Shortcomings with the tests were first noticed in late January, after the CDC sent an initial batch to 26 public health labs across the country. According to those with knowledge of what unfolded, false-positive reactions emerged at 24 of the 26 labs that first tried out the kits in advance of analyzing samples gathered from patients.”

    So where the heck was Trump when this became known. He obviously didn’t care because everything was gonna be alright.

    Trump’s CDC screwed up, Germany has reliable kits and the regime could not care less.

    Party on,

    Oh, let’s limit travel from China to 40,000 more people.

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    1. RE: “Trump’s CDC screwed up, Germany has reliable kits and the regime could not care less.”

      Our tests were “reliable,” too, in the sense that the design was as good as Germany’s. If you read the article carefully, you’ll see that the CDC made a quality control mistake that resulted in contaminating perfectly good kits.

      More generally, the error is that our whole country had to rely on a single source for testing. CDC was that single source and turned out to be a single source of failure, which, as it happens, is a predictable occurrence.

      Your attempt to blame Trump is misplaced. As the leader responsible he had to play the cards he was dealt.

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      1. “… he had to play the cards he was dealt.”

        It wasn’t poker. If he had taken the pandemic risk seriously, he would have sought another solution.

        But he didn’t.

        Good leaders can assess a situation and make necessary changes as the situation changes. His main job was to protect the nation. Where was his “absolute power” over at least his own turf, the administration?

        He failed.

        His Commerce Department sent out flyers and encouraged PPE manufacturers to ship to China until March. Then the big panic and threats came. That ain’t leadership.

        Democrats In particular and Americans in general need to make sure he, his propaganda machine and GOP boosters don’t rewrite history. Because that effort is in full gear. Blame WHO, blame China, and now blame governors. Which is really telling since he was profuse in his praise for all three with some exceptions of name calling those in rather hardest hit states.

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        1. RE: “If he had taken the pandemic risk seriously, he would have sought another solution.”

          What do you think another solution would have been? The CDC mission is to be the single point of testing and data collection. Would you have supported Trump if he made a command decision early on to ignore the CDC and proceed without them?

          Your expectations are truly unrealistic.

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          1. I would not have known. It was an internal SNAFU.

            Look, at this point it is what it is. Would we have been better off prepared? Of course. At least the supplies would have been ready. Our country is so spread out and so porous that perhaps we might have been just as infected, but at a later date. I think we could have prevented a lot of it, but we didn’t try too hard at the federal level until mid-March. Then PANIC by the regime. Keystone Kops stuff really.

            What I won’t let go of, though, are the lies from the administration. About supplies, about testing availability, about travel restrictions that didn’t restrict much at all. Then the threats, insults and attacks by the president against his fellow Americans through their governors. Then forcing them to bid against each other and FEMA for life saving gear.

            And now the blame game in full swing. That is the mark of a weak leader.

            Expectations of leadership is important, but you are correct. With this regime that is unrealistic.

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          2. RE: “And now the blame game in full swing. That is the mark of a weak leader.”

            I suppose you don’t see the irony of your own words. YOU are the one playing the blame game. In the instance at hand, Trump saved your ass from a CDC that had malformed responsibilities and screwed up their own mission. But you refuse to see it because it conflicts with your preferred narrative of Orange Man Bad.

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  2. @Tabor

    This was not some sort of single source decision. Unlike for-profit businesses that wait for the government, CDC was taking the new science and developing a test protocol which would without a doubt been shared with anybody with the capabilities to use it. That is their mission and THEYneed to do it because there is no money to be made chasing down every possible virus eruption most of which turn out to be not much.

    Clearly some one or two people made a mistake. Thank God nobody in the private sector makes mistakes. Oh, wait. It is years of ineffective and unsafe products produced in the private sector and sold without rigorous testing that lead to the creation of the FDA.

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    1. Are you sure you really had a career in business?

      Sure, private sector labs can make a mistake, but if there are a dozen suppliers and 1 screws up, you just use the other ones. But the FDA forbid other test suppliers to work on tests in competition with the CDC, or even to have virus samples to work with.

      That cost us a month. The FDA is addicted to choosing winners and losers, because it can count on the support of its crony winners. That’s why drugs cost too much and get here too late, and why we were blind on testing.

      The conditions that existed prior to the FDA seizing control of medicine no longer exist, and haven’t for a long time. The Internet has eliminated the asymmetry of information and liability insurers have better quality control measures than the FDA ever had.

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      1. @Tabor

        The point, you dummy, is that the error in question occurred at a stage when for profit companies would never be involved because there is no profit in chasing down every possible new virus threat. For-profit companies will always wait until there is money to be made.

        Your comments about the FDA are fantastical and starting to look pathological.

        Conditions ARE different but people are not. There have already been scams on drugs and equipment in the environment caused by FDA backing away from its watchdog role.

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        1. Again, because you say so?

          The fact is that a number of companies were requesting virus samples from the FDA and were turned down, and one vaccine maker had obtained samples from a foreign affiliate and has already begun sequencing the RNA.

          In the pharamceutical business, being first to deliver means everything. Can you remember the the name of the 2nd effective oral ED drug?

          The first company on the scene with a reliable test or vaccine cashes in, the 2nd doesn’t.

          The proper protection from health care scams is your doctor, not the FDA bureaucracy.

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        2. @Tabor

          As always, not because I say so. Because it is true. The government bears the expense of staying on top of outbreaks because there is no way for a business to make money doing it. They jumped on developing the materials and protocols for a test because that is their mission, not because a decision was made to “single source” anything. It was never expected that the CDC would manufacture the hundreds of millions of test kits we need.

          The record is very clear. It took the FDA several weeks to loosen its oversight of testing. That is not in dispute. But the part that you simply will not admit is that the FDA is managed by Trump and his indifference allowed them to behave the way they did.

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      2. Private companies have a motive to make mistakes, or to lie. This sudden explosion of testing equipment snatching up EUA are all based on preliminary tests using prepped samples and producing results beyond anything seen before.

        Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.

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          1. The industry KNOWS that the use of wide sense surveying with diagnostic testing for low probability conditions produces fallacious results, and they are profiting on the public hysteria. Looting.

            My first run in with this was in the late 80s and a tick bite, if I recall, or something else. My doctor drew blood and the results for the complaint came back with an STD panel included, including AIDS — surprisingly all negative, misspent youth,ya know. I asked my doc if he suspected STDs and he said, “no, they just do that.” I believe it was during that time when they were freaking about the blood supply.

            I took a copy and told a colleague who flew into a rant and introduced me to Bayes Theorem. At that time AIDS infection was on the order of 10s of 1000s, insignificant compared to the total population.

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    1. If you follow up on positive binary test positives with an antibody titer(which measures the strength of the antibody presence) you will have confirmation as well as a better idea if immunity is assured.

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          1. Are you going to confirm millions of positives? Mammograms generate less than 20,000 positives per year, most of which are false. The last article I saw was in scientific American and the results were 5000 true positives to 14000 false positives.

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  3. As an aside on corporations: there are 3 types of corporations, and no not LLCs, S and C.
    There are corporations that used a lawyer to file papers and maybe a patent or too. There are corporations with lawyers on retainer, and then there are corporations with lawyers on staff.
    One will quickly settle complaints to the satisfaction of both parties. One will hem and haw but eventually settle. One with cause mischief.

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