Democrats hold nation hostage

Democrats block Senate stimulus

For the second time, Senate Democrats have blocked a Senate Phase III stimulus bill they had negotiated in a reasonably bipartisan manner. Why, because Nancy Pelosi wants to pass a House version as a substitute. The House version contains dozens of things that have nothing to do with the virus response, from same day voter registration to greenhouse gas limits for air travel, to requirements for racial diversity of corporate boards. All things they could never pass on their own but Pelosi thinks she can get because she has the country over a barrel. If she can force enough small businesses to fail and cause enough hardship, she expects to get her way on these fringe issues.

47 thoughts on “Democrats hold nation hostage

  1. Wrong, kemo sabe.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/489158-senate-on-cusp-of-stimulus-deal-after-agreements-in-key-areas

    It is the Democrats, working with Mnuchin, who are actually working to get a deal done. Unlike McConnell and his caucus who are doing all they can for corporations and larger companies.

    And while some of the parts of the House package will not get through right now, the idea is similar to what McConnell did last years about forcing a vote on the Green New Deal. It is part of negotiations, but if the Senate, under the ACTUAL leadership of Chuck Schumer and with the blessing of the administration, approves a deal that the House can vote on quickly with limited negotiation, then the plan goes to Mr. Trump’s desk for his signature.

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    1. Wrong Tonto.

      This kind of partisan gaming might be business as usual in normal times, but these are not normal times.

      This is the equivalent of Republicans holding up a Declaration of War against Japan on Dec 8, 1941, unless FDR agreed to give up his New Deal programs.

      While people are suffering and choosing between staying home to save the lives of their parents and not being able to feed their family or keep their homes is not the time for power plays.

      This is disgusting and if you defend it, you need some time for introspection.

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      1. Doc, if Schumer and Trump’s Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin have worked out a deal, then the idea that the Democrats actually blocked ANYTHING is gone.

        And it is you who now needs some time for introspection.

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          1. Guess what? Your wrong. Get over it. Schumer and Mnuchin will more than likely finalize a deal that will get approved by both Houses and go to Trump’s desk before the end of the week.

            Your continuing attempts to demonize a true leader like Nancy Pelosi grows more and more disgusting every time you attempt it.

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        1. Gee, I just can’t understand why we can’t just let trump “oversee” half a trillion in discretionary funds for whatever comes into his pea brain…

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          1. Why not? All transactions will be recorded. You, yourself, might find it useful to review the record once it is created.

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      2. @Tabor

        You are the one who needs to do some introspecting. You need to ask yourself – “What is wrong with me?” Why have I abandoned everything I have ever stood for to support Trump?”

        It is the DUTY of the Democrats to oppose a terribly flawed bill. The McConnell bill is such a bill and did not deserve to be rubber stamped. Too little help for PEOPLE. An unaccountable slush fund. Not enough for local governments. Too little help for non-profits. No restrictions on how government provided funds can be used. Not enough support for the healthcare sector. etc. etc.

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      3. Do you really think $500 million with no accounting as to who gets what for SIX MONTHS, no protection for stock buybacks, and all other shenanigans is even remotely useful in a pandemic.

        Shame on the GOP for trying to slip that through in a crisis.

        No non-profit employers would get assistance.

        Hospitals get a pittance.

        I find the GOP totally unreasonable, uncaring and as shameless shysters in a crisis.

        If the White House and Pelosi can work a deal then Mitch better get the hell out of the way and do the people’s business. That is both a Trump approved and the people’s House approved. Mitch is sucking up to GOP ideologues.

        Respectfully I think you are viewing this through the wrong end of the binoculars.

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          1. Wasn’t it Everett Dirksen who said in his famous, baritone voice, “A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you’re talking about real money.”?

            The good old days when Republicans actually stood for something.

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        1. RE: “Do you really think $500 million with no accounting as to who gets what for SIX MONTHS, no protection for stock buybacks, and all other shenanigans is even remotely useful in a pandemic.”

          It is not necessarily not useful. Besides, you’ll be able to review the transactions after the fact, if you have concerns.

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          1. Why after the fact? Why not public accounting of who gets the money. My name will be my check.

            The 2008 bailouts had few restrictions or much oversight. Top executives were getting bonuses we found out. The rescue of AIG funneled billions to GS and made them whole despite the fraud it perpetrated.

            I don’t trust big companies anymore than I trust a stranger on the street. Nor should the government.

            Or at least, trust but verify.

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    1. Yes, a procedural vote to bring the bill to the floor, effectively killing it. No degree of parliamentary shell games changes what this is. After the GOP negotiated with Schumer in good faith, and came to an agreement, Schumer got the word from Pelosi that she could use the issue to force through a wish list that has NOTHING to do with the issue.

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      1. Factually inaccurate. Pelsoi came back with a plan because the GOP in the Senate did NOT negotiate in good faith and she questioned if the Senate would come up with a package at all.

        Your efforts are noted, but once again proven wrong. Or at least out-of-date. The time stamp on your RT post is 1812. The time stamp on The Hill story posted above is 9:56 pm.

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        1. And you think events are posted instantaneously?

          The Senate remained in session, the House was in recess. When Pelosi returned to Washington, she demanded Schumer stop the Senate bill so she could substitute a House version with a lengthy wish list attached.

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          1. Again, factually inaccurate. Try reading other websites besides the one that feed into your bubble. You may find out that your “facts” are fictions. I recommend The Hill. Traditionally a center-right news site that has been on top of all of this more so than your conservative/libertarian sites that just want to press the false narratives that the Dems are out to get you.

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  2. @Tabor

    You are blowing smoke to cover for the looming raid on the Treasury that the GOP would do for its billionaire supporters. Leaving aside that PEOPLE need immediate help and not some “trickle down” promises and that restricting how corporations can use the funds is a very sound proposal, The GOP idea that Trump would be allocated $500 billion to distribute to corporations in secret and without immediate accountability is patently absurd. And, frankly, appears to be there to help Trump give some of it to HIS businesses. That six month delay in reporting would get us past the election.

    There are always things in major bills that seem or actually are irrelevant. Those usually disappear in conference committee negotiations when the House and Senate are held by opposing parties.

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  3. RE: “The House version contains dozens of things that have nothing to do with the virus response, from same day voter registration to greenhouse gas limits for air travel, to requirements for racial diversity of corporate boards.”

    The list of add-ons is puke worthy, even by Congressional standards. It really cannot be rationalized; neither procedurally nor on the merits.

    It reminds me of the failed impeachment effort, in which the House threw trash at the Senate, just like a child tearing up his own room in a tantrum, or the Kavanagh hearings, in which demonic protestors brought bedlam to the hill. Its all more of the same from the Democratic Drama Queens.

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    1. “The list of add-ons is puke worthy, even by Congressional standards. It really cannot be rationalized; neither procedurally nor on the merits.”

      And the entire concept has been made moot by the deal that Schumer and Mnuchin are finalizing. And there will be nothing for the House to have to gag on to pass it, as McConnell told the Senate GOP when Stimulus II came over from the House.

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      1. RE: “And the entire concept has been made moot by the deal that Schumer and Mnuchin are finalizing.”

        You seem to think so, but even by your lights the list was a waste of time by the drama queens.

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        1. You mean THIS list:

          The House bill would require any corporation taking federal relief money to prioritize their workers’ wages and benefits over CEO pay, layoffs, or stock buybacks.

          The bill would give $500 billion in loans to small businesses. It would further expand unemployment insurance, creating a temporary Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation of $600 per week for workers impacted by the coronavirus and eligible for unemployment benefits.

          For direct payments, the bill would provide each individual $1,500 of government assistance, and up to $7,500 for a family of five. Retired and unemployed Americans would also receive the benefit.

          It would provide more than $150 billion to hospitals and community health centers for coronavirus treatment and equipment like ventilators, masks, and other protective equipment for health care workers, and calls on President Donald Trump to immediately invoke the Defense Production Act.

          It also would require the Trump administration to endorse strong Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) regulations for health care workers.

          The bill would eliminate cost-sharing for coronavirus treatment and vaccines for all patients, including those who are uninsured. The cost of coronavirus treatment can range from thousands of dollars to tens of thousands, according to a recent Time report.

          The bill would put nearly $60 billion into America’s schools and universities; $30 billion would be provided to states to help their school funding, and $10 billion would be directed toward public universities. It would also help student borrowers with debt payments.

          Finally, the bill would provide $4 billion in Election Administration Grants to states to come up with contingency planning and preparation for their elections, which could expand vote-by-mail and no-excuse absentee voting.

          *Copied from vox.com article on Pelosi’s proposals.

          And I don’t see a problem for the last line item as a contingency for the November election. Kind of reminds me of the 7 P’s.

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          1. RE: “You mean THIS list”

            No. I mean the one I referenced, which Dr. Tabor wrote:

            “The House version contains dozens of things that have nothing to do with the virus response, from same day voter registration to greenhouse gas limits for air travel, to requirements for racial diversity of corporate boards.”

            I would say, however, that some of the items in your list look puke-worthy to me. Examples are the OSHA regs, the school spending, the election grants.

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          2. OSHA regs to help protect those on the front line is “puke worthy”? I’m sure the doctors, nurses and first responders will be happy to hear you feel that way.

            Putting money into schools IS puke worthy TO YOU because you think public education is a scam. THAT is what is puke worthy – IMO

            And I explained what is GOOD about the election grants to help preserve the right to vote for all Citizens via mail ballot if it becomes necessary.

            Your shortsighted version of facts, along with Don’s “sky-is-falling” mentality because the Democrats are actually doing something constructive for the PEOPLE instead of just corporations is much more puke worthy that ANYTHING Pelosi has ACTUALLY called for in the Senate bill.

            I recommend you both start following the facts @ Thehill.com. Your bubble may burst, but at least you both may see the light (referred to as FACTS).

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          3. RE: “I recommend you both start following the facts @ Thehill.com.”

            I recommend you learn to think for yourself and not let media outlets like The Hill tell you what to think about.

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    2. @Roberts

      For the record, the impeachment effort did not fail. Trump WAS impeached. And now, with the country facing a truly existential crisis, it is more than obvious that the GOP leaving this clown in the Oval office was a catastrophic mistake. For all his flaws, Mike Pence does not labor under the delusion that he is smarter than everyone else nor does he have personal business interests to protect.

      Did you notice that Dr. Fauci was not at yesterday’s briefing? Why do you suppose that was? Daring to tell the truth maybe?

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      1. RE: “Did you notice that Dr. Fauci was not at yesterday’s briefing? Why do you suppose that was?”

        I don’t really care, but if you bother to look it up, Fauci was at a different task force meeting at the time of the press conference. This was mentioned during the press conference itself, which didn’t suffer at all from his absence.

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          1. @Roberts

            There is no conspiracy theory in evidence. The President chooses who will stand with him at these daily briefings. After publicly correcting Trump several times and having given honest interviews over the week-end, Fauci is no longer there. That is not by accident. That is Trump’s decision. Fauci’s absence makes it even more clear that the purpose of these events is to let Trump play “wartime President” to improve his political prospects and NOT to get accurate information to the people.

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          2. RE: “Did you miss this?”

            I don’t care what Maggie Haberman has to say. Also, it wouldn’t trouble me if Trump fired Fauci. I respect the man, but he doesn’t walk on water in my view.

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          3. @Murphy

            First you say there’s “no conspiracy theory in evidence.” Then you say, “Fauci’s absence makes it even more clear that the purpose of these events is to let Trump play “wartime President” to improve his political prospects and NOT to get accurate information to the people.”

            You seem confused.

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          4. @Roberts

            I am confused? That is a laugh coming from someone who clearly does not understand the words he throws around. In this case . . . “conspiracy theory.” By definition a “conspiracy” involves the actions of more than one person. I have been referring to the actions of ONE person.

            Noting that Fauci’s absence from the daily briefing is . . .

            (1) A decision totally within the control of DJT, and
            (2) If he is not there because he has been assigned other duties, it is a choice that DJT has made.

            is not a “conspiracy theory?” It is purely factual.

            And my seeing a connection between Fauci’s absence and his telling the truth is not a “conspiracy theory” either. There are many, many examples of capable people losing their positions because of insufficient personal loyalty to Dear Leader. It is an inductive conclusion based on evidence.

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          5. @Murphy

            It sure takes a lot of effort to rationalize your paranoia. I wonder if Trump, acting alone, visits your house at night to prevent you from sleeping.

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  4. Does this surprise you at all? What is most puke worthy is the lefties in here trying to make phony assertions to back up their goddess Pelosi. It is really an attempt by Democrats to thrust in a bill they think they could get passed so they could claim they saved the planet at election time. Just politics but under completely different circumstances.

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