Well, the Pilot is disappointed too

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/vp-ed-editorial-crime-commission-guns-1115-20191115-hhg3ufejurf4nmuafsolgcx7ym-story.html

Though their reasoning is no doubt different than mine. I guess the Pilot was expecting an endorsement of the firearms restrictions they are on record as wanting, but that just wasn’t possible as there is no evidence anywhere that any of the measures they want would have done any good.

But there is another thing to be disappointed about. The day of the VA Beach shooting Chief Cervera claimed the shooter used extended magazines, yet there is nothing in the commissioned report to indicate he had any. There was a mention of magazines, apparently in his vehicle, for the rifle he did not use. Is it possible Cervera was confused and relied on 2nd hand information, mistaking those magazines for magazines for the handguns actually used? If so, Cervera should admit the error, as his first statement is being used to advance proposed legislation.

I have corresponded with Pilot writers, and they have asked for clarification on the magazines, but the VBPD has refused to respond.

Why?

12 thoughts on “Well, the Pilot is disappointed too

  1. Your question to Cervera is legit, so I won’t challenge that. He made the statement and has not yet backed it up. I take back my previous comments on this matter, as he SHOULD explain it.

    However, it is my opinion that you and the VP just wanted SOMETHING to come from the Crime Commission work. Neither one of you would have been 100% satisfied. The “crime” is that Obenshain decided to say “Aw, screw it”, instead of going forward with ANY recommendations supporting either side.

    The GOP punted when they sent everything to the CC, and then the CC punted when Obenshain realized no matter what came out, the new power wouldn’t go along with anything that the NRA backed members would desire. It is my opinion that the Commission should have completed their work, made recommendations, regardless of which side those decisions came down on, and let the GA do it’s job.

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  2. “Their reasoning is no doubt different than mine.” No doubt.

    The gutless abduction of the Crime Commission aside, I’d like to know the answer to the magazine question as well.

    Providing inaccurate accounts of gun violence in order to bolster anti-gun sentiment is counter-productive and only provides ammunition to the “cold dead hands” crowd.

    The facts speak for themselves and should be used to demonstrate the need for more effective gun control and ownership measures.

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  3. So, maybe extended magazines were not used this time. No problem then. Let any pinhead have all the 30 and 100 round magazines their little hearts desire. After all, some gun seller problems makes $3 or $4 dollars every time they sell one – far more important than a child’s life.

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    1. There are two issues regarding magazine capacity. One is there effect when misused, and the other is the benefits when used as intended.

      Previous studies of mass shootings by the Rand Corporation have shown that the average time between shots during mass shootings, when targets are available, was about 6 seconds, The time it takes to change a magazine is about 2 seconds, so rate of fire is not affected by magazine size. When the shooter has 2 or more firearms, there is no opportunity to rush him during that 2 second period, even were that possible. Thus, Rand found that magazine size is not a factor in the outcome. I would add an exception for the Las Vegas shooting where they were used in conjunction with bump stocks to increase rate of fire shooting into a crowd. Note that the Vegas shooter used multiple rifles so he could discard them as they overheated. But in more typical mass shootings like VA Beach there is no effect.

      But on the other hand, when a citizen uses a firearm in defense of his home or person, magazine size does matter. A person carrying concealed or defending his home does not typically carry multiple magazines, What’s in the firearm when he picks it up is all there will be. Policemen, in exchanges with criminals. typically fire 30 to 50 rounds, civilians tend to shoot better, but still 10 rounds is not going to be enough.

      For a long time, I have opposed the use of ARs for home defense because of the overpenetration problem, but with the new frangible home defense rounds now available. ARs are indeed good for home defense, especially for women for whom the double stack handguns are difficult to use. ARs are much easier to hold on target.

      So, for home defense, especially for women, an AR 15 with a 30 round magazine is a good home defense weapon.

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      1. That you think this question revolves around the sort of a priori argle bargle you are spouting is kind of funny.

        And, imaginary home shoot-outs that you can dream up are not evidence of anything. But since it seems we can use facts we make up, let me state that 99.9% of home intruders will either be dead or run away after the first blast from a shotgun. Home defended. Job done. And still four more shells in the gun.

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        1. A shotgun is not a bad choice, but it has its drawbacks too, One is length, if the assailant gets closer than the muzzle the shotgun is just a poorly balance club. Second is weight and thus inertia, about double that of an AR carbine.

          Inside a house, and thus less than 30 ft, the shotgun’s pattern is only a few inches wide, so accuracy is still important.

          My wife couldn’t hit a garbage can at 30 feet with a pistol unless she could square off in a two hand braced stance, But with my AR, she can just put the red dot where she wants the rounds to go and pull the trigger.

          But the point is that it is MY choice and hers, unless you can put forth a very good reason to limit my choice, and your personal prejudices don’t count.

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  4. “Policemen, in exchanges with criminals. typically fire 30 to 50 rounds,”…

    But 1) They don’t use extended magazines in their side arms, and 2) I’d rather a police officer have one than any one else.

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