“Amelia” Gantry, daughter of Elmer apparently, fires up a scam to fleece believers

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-pastor-paula-white-prophetic-instruction-defeat-enemies-1471978

Just when one thinks this administration can’t get any crazier, it does.

Paula White is Trump’s personal pastor and spiritual advisor. Now she is exhorting her flock to send her $229 each to get guidance, and some holy oil, to defeat the “enemies”.

She says it is so written in the Bible. The amount and the mandate of sorts is “…in accordance with” 1 Chronicles 22:9 in the Bible. The verse speaks about peace and rest from enemies.”

22:9 equals $229.00. Interesting since the dollar did not exist until thousands of years later. But a minor point. Oh, if you are too poor, you can send $31.00, which is based on adding the digits in 22:9. Slick and easy.

Again, this is the spiritual advisor of the president of the United States.

Now it may seem natural that con artists attract each other. Trump U comes to mind. Yet this scheme seems so, well, unseemly at best and just plain nuts at less than best.

This scam involves belief in a higher power to succeed, of course. Could this not fulfill the “high crimes” part of impeachment?

I guess only if Trump were to get his cut from the deal.

Will Trump throw this “fallen pastor” under the bus. “Never heard of her” might be coming soon.

Oh, did I say she is the personal pastor and spiritual advisor to the president?

Just sayin’.

24 thoughts on ““Amelia” Gantry, daughter of Elmer apparently, fires up a scam to fleece believers

  1. Looked up I Chronicles 22:9, using the Tanakh (and closest to the original) translation:

    ” Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.”

    Sorry, but Trump ain’t no Solomon. He is not a man of rest. He is not getting rest from his enemies. And $229 dollars for a bottle of olive oil is NOT going to change that.

    Unbelievable how some Christians cherry pick and change things to match their “narrative”. And she is part of this Administration. Seems to me she fits in like a glove.

    And when was the last time Trump attended any kind of service outside of a funeral?

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  2. As someone who was raised Catholic, I can speak to the absurdity of these claims by Paula White. Everyone knows the only way to truly smite one’s Liberal enemies is with authentic relics fashioned into weapons.

    I just so happen to know where you can get a good deal on pieces of Roger Ailes’ femur. DM me for details.

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  3. RE: “‘Amelia’ Gantry, daughter of Elmer apparently, fires up a scam to fleece believers”

    I don’t share Paula White’s evangelical views, but I must call attention to the unfair and anti-Christian prejudice of the title you give this post.

    Your title equates the woman with a character in a satirical novel. It accuses her of perpetrating a “scam,” and slanders her followers as suckers who are being fleeced.

    You are, of course, entitled to your opinions, but here your opinion is based on having different religious beliefs from Ms. White and her followers. You clearly do not believe Ms. White is capable of delivering “prophetic instruction” to those of her followers who pay $229 (or $31) to receive it.

    My question would be: How do you know? What qualifies your belief to be considered superior to theirs?

    In a larger context I wonder where your intolerance must lead. Should we have an official version of Christianity such that people like Ms. White can be prosecuted for deviating from the state-approved model? Or, if not to be made a matter at law or of governance, should we at least have a society where Ms. White and her followers can be publicly stoned, as your post metaphorically does?

    I’m not exaggerating. Liberty and freedom depend on tolerance. Without tolerance, they evaporate.

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  4. Tolerance is not the point, though your assumption that I am anti-Christian is without foundation. I was confirmed Lutheran, but have since found that organized religions are often at odds with the teachings of Christ. I propose that Ms White’s church is just that.

    I laid out my argument that her demand for money to give instructions about defeating an “enemy” is rooted in historical scams to fleece the faithful. That is not anti-Christian. I am just pointing out an obvious get rich scheme which is most certainly anti-Christian in my opinion.

    True, everyone is entitled to believe as they wish. Even Satanists or, heaven forbid, Atheists, though the intolerance for them is legendary. Pointing out a timeworn scheme preying on those who are sincere in their beliefs is a public service rather than an admonishment of Christianity

    Your slippery slope contention is assuming I have any power, or the desire to get it, to demand a state church. Yet there are more than a few of us that would like a Christian nation with Biblical laws.

    Would you tolerate a son or daughter joining a cult and giving all cash and earthly belongings and then told to beg in the streets turning over the money to the leaders? Or a Muslim family enforcing genital mutilation of a pre-pubescent daughter? “Liberty and freedom” depend on it.

    Point of interest is that the numbering system for Biblical passages was not introduced until the 16th century. So that passage could have been other numbers as well, and more importantly, was not so designated at the original writing.

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    1. RE: “I laid out my argument that her demand for money to give instructions about defeating an ‘enemy’ is rooted in historical scams to fleece the faithful.”

      I see no evidence of that in your post, or the title you gave it. You cite no historical references, for example. On the contrary, you wrote, “Yet this scheme seems so, well, unseemly at best and just plain nuts at less than best.”

      In other words, you disagree with Ms. White with respect to matters of faith. Under the circumstances, I don’t see your comments as being any kind of public service, which is why I bring up my concerns. Tolerance is the issue.

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      1. If tolerance were truly the issue, then maybe you should tolerate Mr. Rothman’s opinion. You are free to disagree with it, but questioning the motives behind it is irresponsible on your part.

        And all I can say form a historical perspective is Jim and Tammy Faye, and Jimmy Swaggert. Well noted people who perpetrated frauds on their followers.

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        1. RE: “You asked, I provided.”

          You needn’t have bothered. My question is, so what if you have historical references? (For example, how would they be relevant to Ms. White’s alleged fraud?)

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          1. “You needn’t have bothered.”
            Dud your goal post moving is remarkable. Read what you originally asked about history. You wanted it, I provided the simplest of forms and then you say “so what”? Seriously, you have issues.

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  5. Per one of your frequent reference sites:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_healing#Fraud

    There is plenty of evidence of fraud in the history of religion.

    I agree that “public service” is limited in a site with but a handful of readers. Perhaps I should have been less kind and called it “exposing a fraudulent scheme”.

    $229.00 based on the number of a Bible verse is sacrilege as far as I’m concerned. Adding up 22+9 to make a $31.00 is evil since it draws in the poor to finance Ms. White.

    I can see your point of view as it applies to a slot machine. Playing one requires faith that the next pull will reward the gambler. Yet, if the reward is not forthcoming before the money runs out, it was still satisfying in some fashion. Unless the participants can’t feed the family afterwards.

    $229 or $31 and the “enemy” is still there? Well, I did what I could. Bless you Pastor White, bless you.

    In case you take that as disrespect, consider that Paula White’s scheme is not religion in my book. Faith deserves respect in most cases. White doesn’t. She is in the esteemed company of the Travelers (aka gypsy travelers) driveway paving scams that screw the elderly out of thousands.

    That she is Trump’s personal pastor and spiritual advisor is just icing on the proverbial cake. Birds of a feather one might say.

    IMHO

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    1. RE: “There is plenty of evidence of fraud in the history of religion.”

      No doubt. The problem is, you are alleging fraud in this instance with no ability to prove it.

      RE: “In case you take that as disrespect, consider that Paula White’s scheme is not religion in my book.”

      I certainly considered that before posting a comment. It is why I asked, “What qualifies your belief to be considered superior to [hers]?”

      If you want to have a theological discussion, I’m happy to oblige. You, however, are asserting personal religious views as universal truths upon which political decisions may rest. I wouldn’t have a problem with that if you could show how your personal religious views — to the exclusion of others — were justified.

      In the absence of that, your comments amount to picking an in-group to belong to and causing others to be regarded as an out-group. I find that disturbing.

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      1. “You, however, are asserting personal religious views as universal truths upon which political decisions may rest. ”

        Seriously? You don’t that Ms Pastor White is doing pretty much the same thing? Again, it appears you are OK with it as long as it supports your personal narrative.

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        1. RE: “Seriously? You don’t that Ms Pastor White is doing pretty much the same thing?”

          I don’t know if she is or isn’t, since I don’t follow her in any way. I wouldn’t assume her beliefs are either valid or invalid, since I have no idea what they are.

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      2. “What qualifies your belief to be considered superior to [hers]?”

        Who said my beliefs were superior?

        Proof is in the eye of…

        White is asserting that her God authorized this through a Biblical passage and even uses the good book to assert numerological authority.

        My God says she is a fraud. Prove me wrong.

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        1. RE: “My God says she is a fraud. Prove me wrong.”

          No need. Now that we know you are representing a religious position, the point is made.

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  6. Really? ‘djt’ has a pastor and spiritual adviser?

    As for the money. Sounds to me like the lady was paying attention the day the instructor at Trump U. taught her students about scams and the like.

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