Non-citizen voting in VA

Virginia Hasn’t Stopped Noncitizens From Voting, Watchdog Finds

A check of 8 of Virginia’s 133 counties and cities revealed that over 1000 non-citizens registered to vote, casting almost 200 ballots over a 10 year period. No one has checked the other 125 localities.

If the pattern is similar in the other localities, that is enough to have affected the outcome of some close statewide elections.

22 thoughts on “Non-citizen voting in VA

  1. With illegal voters casting so many ballots for Democrats to give themselves unearned benefits, do we really expect Democrats to do anything but claim illegal voting doesn’t exist?

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    1. Blanket statement based on what?

      The last major case of voting irregularities was in NC by Republicans. Then we had wholesale purging of perfectly eligible voters in Florida last year and in Ohio just a few weeks ago.

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  2. I am sure the system is not perfect. If we want to get a national ID card that requires proof of citizenship and additional verifications like the “Real ID” drivers license that might help.

    Couple of problems. There are still lots of folks who may not have birth certificates. Particularly older ones in rural areas. Also, people move around a lot. Voter rolls are notorious about being out of date in many jurisdictions.

    18 people per year is not right, but not an epidemic either. I doubt it was a concerted effort to tip the scales. And whose to say the records were not mistaken in the other direction also. That is, citizens who were counted as non-citizens.

    Finally, extrapolation from a small survey to cover the other counties is a dicey computation.

    Finding a few mistakes among millions can be looked at as pretty good control. A minuscule percentage for that matter. Widget manufacturing isn’t that efficient.

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  3. 2.5 ballots per year per locality will make a difference? Uh yep, I suppose Yancy might have lost to Simonds after all, but then, we have judges who don’t follow the law to make up for it.

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    1. Long division is not the way to get the answer. If you read the article, almost all of the illegal votes were in 2 years, 2008 and 2012.

      And that was only 8 of 133 localities.

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      1. And the “worst” of those localities? Prince William with 433 noncitizens registered. Registered, not voting necessarily, but still let’s assume they did.
        2008 93,000 votes for Obama and 67,000 for McCain.
        2012 103,000 for Obama and 74,000 for Romney.

        433?

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    2. Personal experience, likely replicated hundreds by tens of thousand’s times across the 50 states…

      13 years ago, Dad passed away and I drove Mom to the various Federal and State agencies to report that.

      To this day? Mom continues to receives things delivered by the USPS (credit card offers and bills).

      Somehow, Dad’s name has not only remained on the voter registrar’s list? Bit according to public records hasn’t missed an election since.

      Explain that.

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  4. It sounds like, to me anyway, that most people who believe the voter fraud is an epidemic also believe it only benefits Democrats. Yet it was a woman in the midwest, Iowa or Kansas if I remember correctly, that was charged in 2016 with voting twice (fraudulently the second time) because of an unfounded fear that her vote would be changed to Hillary. Also, the largest scandal concerning ELECTION fraud was in NC-9. And it favored the GOP candidate.

    Just an observation.

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  5. In a recent lecture at Hillsdale College on YouTube, Victor Davis Hanson mentions non-citizen voting as one example of several ways that citizenship itself is becoming devalued in America today. Increasingly, American citizenship carries no special status.

    The trend seems real enough to me, and it is not a happy thing.

    There are many, of course, who think that citizenship is nothing special in any case. These are the self-appointed “smart set” who claim that citizenship is merely a social construct, or at best only a legal distinction that otherwise has no material reality in its own right.

    Such views are contradicted by several thousand years of historical observation. They also fly in the fact of common sense: citizenship evolved from something substantive; it survives because it continues to serve a necessary purpose.

    It is not putting the matter too bluntly to suggest that the devaluation of citizenship is a dangerous trend.

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    1. It depends who is asked about the value of citizenship.

      For those of us that had to immigrate, get a green card first, then apply, pay a fee, take a test, swear an oath of allegiance relinquishing the previous citizenship and receive a document the status has great value. Serving in the military or other government service helps to cement the relationship.

      Perhaps for those who are just born here, it might be taken for granted. I proposed one time that full citizenship should be withheld until age 18 and also require some kind of national service such as military, AmeriCorps and the like.

      In other words, earn your citizenship instead of just lucking into it.

      IMHO

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      1. According to immigrationforum.org, between 1999 and 2010 approximately 80,000 non-citizens joined the military. Most recent data from DOD shows that 24,000 non-citizens were on active duty in 2012, with approximately 5,000 legal permanent residents enlisting each year.

        I served side-by-side with numerous non-citizens, many from the Philippines, who could not vote for their civilian leaders the same way I could. And many of them sounded like they were staunch republicans.

        Yet none of those individuals are considered citizens and can exercise voting rights. Kind of a shame that you can fight and die for a country bit not participate as a full fledged citizen until naturalized.

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    2. So Hansen thinks that non-citizen voting is epidemic in proportions?

      Or is he a realist in that we know of a few instances here and there out of the 153 million or so registered voters or even the 92 million who did vote?

      A bigger threat than a few non-citizens voting is the 50-60 million citizens, registered to vote but not bothering to make the effort.

      It seems almost as if those few non-citizens care more about their adopted country than the ones born here.

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      1. RE: “So Hansen thinks that non-citizen voting is epidemic in proportions?”

        He didn’t say so, but you can listen to his lecture here:

        Nationalism Good and Bad: Lessons from History

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        1. I watched the video, and questions, to the end. Interesting speaker. I disagreed with many of his assumptions and political talking points, but he was certainly erudite which would be expected with his academic credentials.

          What was also interesting was to get a view from the other side in a revealing way.

          Here is what I mean.

          A point he was making about the left forcing their views was exemplified by gun owners not being able to buy ammunition from Walmart because of pressure from “a minority” on the left. He lamented that effectively a group was taking away the 2nd Amendment rights by restricted ammo purchasing at the largest retail chain. A chain that might be the only source for miles around in rural areas. Even though the law of the land said Americans can own guns, a Walmart not selling ammo bowing to anti-gun sentiment seemingly took the right away, or severely restricted access at least.

          OK, I can see the point.

          However, that is exactly what the anti-abortion movement is doing in many red states by restricting access through a variety of regulations and legislation. Some states are down to only one clinic and risk losing that also. The law of the land guarantees a woman’s right to abortion, but some cannot exercise that right die to a vocal minority.

          My point? Political “tyranny” really depends upon whose ox is being gored.

          Or another way of putting it, in this example, is that for the right abortion is a problem, guns are not. And the left, vice versa.

          I know he was talking about the virtues of nationalism and citizenship, but the culprit was the left and urban elites. And the above was one of several examples he gave.

          IMHO

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        2. RE: “Or another way of putting it, in this example, is that for the right abortion is a problem, guns are not. And the left, vice versa.”

          Gun rights and abortion rights are not equivalent.

          Gun rights are constitutionally protected. To nullify them — by restricting ammunition sales, for example — is to erode the very design of our republic.

          Moreover, the basis in natural law for the constitutional protection of gun rights is precisely the same basis for prohibiting abortion, which has no explicit constitutional protection.

          Put another way, your reasoning is superficial and anti-constitutional.

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          1. Until overturned, the right to an abortion is the law of the land. So is the Second Amendment, which can be overturned by an amendment.

            You are proving my observation.

            I am arguing that I have to take into consideration the political viewpoint of an issue whether I agree with it or not. You seem to be hammering the same nail as Hansen.

            Anti-abortion folks are closing down access to abortion by pointless regulations because they can’t overturn the law yet. So clinics cannot afford to stay open.

            Gun control advocates have pressured Walmart to make a similar market based decision.

            Yet because you favor guns but not abortion you argue that it’s all totally different.

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