First Question

I have an honest question for the Trump fans here.

What do you like about him? I can find nothing… absolutely nothing… not one good thing. And I don’t like that. Everyone has some good points. What am I missing? Please try to explain it to me without using references to Biden, or Obama, or Hillary, or anybody else you don’t like. Convince me Trump has some good points.

Also, if Trump does not run in 2024, who would you like to see as the nominee for the Republican Party for President?

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  1. RE: “What do you like about him?”

    There were a couple of things about Trump that got my attention when he first showed up in politics. First, I had long before begun to think about media and the problems it causes. So, I was glad to see a politician come along that talked openly about media bias and lies. I was rooting for him to shake things up in a big way, and he did. Second, he reminded me of my boss and mentor, who was the best manager of the best company I ever worked for. MY boss also was from Queens and brash, abrasive and uncouth, but he had a brilliant head for business. He built good teams and took his best people with him as he climbed the ladder to the very top of the company.

    In retrospect, Trump didn’t live up to my hopes of changing the world, but he did meet my expectations as a change agent.

    RE: “Also, if Trump does not run in 2024, who would you like to see as the nominee for the Republican Party for President?”

    I don’t have a strong preference. Ron Desantis appeals to me for a lot of reasons,

    One thing I must say, even though it is not part of your curiosity: I will never, ever support a candidate for president who is a Democrat or a liberal or a progressive. I did that once, then walked away.

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    1. Thank you for an honest answer. Am I correct in understanding you liked Trump because you thought he was a tough businessman, like your old boss, who was capable of building good teams and would take the best people to the top? That is a position I can respect. I never believed that about him, but I can understand why you would vote for him if you did believe it.

      I was an Army wife for 20 years so Trump’s “uncouthness” never bothered me. Some of my best Army friends were from Jersey so I appreciate the vocabulary. What I didn’t appreciate was Trump’s sense of humor. Mocking people, particularly disabled people, is not funny. I never heard the man tell a “joke” that wasn’t belittling someone else. He was incapable of laughing at himself.

      I know it’s still early to be thinking of 2024, but I don’t see any rising stars in either party. Personally, I don’t believe either Trump or Biden will run in 2024. I was hoping maybe someone else was seeing prospects I’m missing.

      Okay, now you’ve got me curious about who was the Democrat that disappointed you so?? If it’s any consolation to you, I used to be a Republican. I may be one of the few people on the planet who will admit I voted for Richard Nixon. (Talk about disappointed!)

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      1. In 1952 my parents were staunch Democrats and were “Madly for Adlai” but to my 7-year-old mind the slogan “I LIKE IKE” was magical and I proudly wore a button saying just that. Of course, by today’s standards Ike (and even Nixon) were “far left extremists” like I still am because I believe in democratic Constitutional government and in its power to improve opportunities and fair treatment for everyone.

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        1. I think I still have an “I Like Ike” button somewhere in this massive junk pile I call a home. And I still do like Ike. If Republicans were to run an Eisenhower in 2024, I’d probably vote for him. But, like you said, Ike would be considered a far left extremist today.

          Somewhere along the line, the Republican Party lost its soul. I think it started with Nixon but it went over the cliff when Reagan brought in the likes of Roger Stone and Lee Atwater and they developed their “Southern strategy” that brought in the KKK and the dregs of the country. That became their base, the easily fooled, easily manipulated cult that the 1% could use to stay in power.

          I also believe it is such an obvious phenomenon, that foreign enemies have latched on to it and, through social media and other means, are using it to destroy our democracy and install their own well-paid oligarchs into our political system. Oligarchs that will, for example, pull us out of NATO and give Russia free rein to invade whatever parts of Europe their little hearts desire.

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        2. RE: “I think it started with Nixon but it went over the cliff when Reagan brought in the likes of Roger Stone and Lee Atwater and they developed their “Southern strategy” that brought in the KKK and the dregs of the country.”

          Are you an elitist, Ms. Radford? Do you believe that the “dregs of the country” don’t deserve representation in a democracy?

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          1. “Are you an elitist, Ms. Radford?”

            So, it is “elitist” to reject racism, nativism, msogyny and homophobia as motivating prinicples of government?

            Okay, I am an “elitist.” How about you?

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          2. Yes, I suppose I am an elitist. I don’t want Nazis waving swastikas inside my Capitol. I don’t want the Stars and Bars there either. We fought wars. Both of them lost. I don’t want either of them to have any say in my government.

            And while we’re on the subject, I’m not too fond of the Gadsden flag either. Actually, it’s not so much the flag as the states’ rights people who fly it. The Gadsden flag was designed by Christopher Gadsden during the Revolutionary War. His use of the snake was inspired by Benjamin Franklin’s political cartoon of a snake cut into 13 pieces, representing the 13 colonies divided and weak. Gadsden’s flag represented a snake united and strong, with a warning “don’t tread on me.” The flag symbolized a UNITED country. The people I see flying it usually have a Confederate flag next to it. They have no idea how many levels of stupid that makes them look.

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      2. RE: “Am I correct in understanding you liked Trump because you thought he was a tough businessman, like your old boss, who was capable of building good teams and would take the best people to the top?”

        You are correct.

        RE: “Okay, now you’ve got me curious about who was the Democrat that disappointed you so?”

        That’s not how I turned away from Democrats and liberalism. Actually, I found Ronald Reagan’s defense spending alarming, but I didn’t know enough about economics to explain why. I developed an interest in that particular topic and pursuing it casually for a number of years led me to the conclusion that the liberal journalism I tended to consume was unreliable. I began to notice a lot of factual misrepresentations and fallacious arguments in publications like The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New Yorker, The Atlantic.

        I began reading The Wall Street Journal before the internet became popular, and later discovered conservative web sites where I found the quality of information to be superior.

        So, I wouldn’t say a Democrat disappointed me, although by the time he came along I was prepared to think of Barack Obama as horrifying.

        Also, it might be worth mentioning that some publications that became important to me during my political transformation became less important to me later on. National Review, for example, lost my interest when it took a never-Trump position. It wasn’t that Trump was so good in my estimation, but that a real conservative publication should have argued that the nation is strong enough — institutionally — to survive a president like Trump, even if they didn’t like him.

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        1. Before I married, I worked for a newspaper for several years. I can say from firsthand experience, journalists are not infallible. That goes for both conservatives and liberals. Later in life, I got my Masters in Library Sciences and became a research librarian at a college in Georgia. I learned, and taught, critical thinking skills for several years. Never get all of your information from any one source. Look for peer reviewed sources. Don’t rely on sources just because they agree with your point of view. Listen respectfully to the opposition. I think that’s what Don is trying to do with this blog. One of the dumbest things any President can do is to surround themselves with yes-men… and that goes for us civilians as well.

          Speaking as a librarian, may I warn you against getting information from websites? Know the site. Check it out on Whois and find out who really owns it, how long it has been around, where it is hosted, etc. (I had one kid who cited the Daily Stormer in a paper he wrote, with no idea who was running the thing.) I wouldn’t give up on the New York Times or the Washington Post because you found some misinformation there. You are going to find misinformation everywhere. You will also find good information in both places. As I told my students, your job is to learn how to discern the difference. Even FOX News gets it right once in a while. (Before I dumped Cox Cable, I always turned to Fox first when there was something like a mass shooting. They always seemed to have reporters on site before anyone else.)

          I’m not sure arguing that the nation is strong enough to survive Trump is much of an endorsement. Perhaps the National Review was better off doing what they did.

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        2. …”became less important to me later on. National Review, for example, lost my interest when it took a never-Trump position.”

          You do realize that the position lasted about a millisecond in the media-verse?

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      3. I think you missed the point that Trump mocked people in response to being mocked. Maybe not a preferred response but liberals, Democrats and progressives were relentless in dogging the man for no good reason but hate for his entire term and persist even today after almost 2 years. You too?

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        1. Come on Bob. Obama was vilified daily. Protests with signs of monkeys, Obama with swastikas and mustaches. Even his wife was ripped in the right wing MSM.

          Trump made his own publicity because he didn’t care if it was good publicity or bad, just so long as he was mentioned.

          It comes with the job. Only Trump was the whiner-in-chief and couldn’t take the heat like a man.

          At best we can call the treatment even, just the ability to handle it varied greatly.

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          1. Come on Len, I never saw any of what you claim abt Obama. You can try to paint Trump as a chronic victim but you guys pulled out all the stops from bullshit Russia investigations atvthe get go to 2 impeachment s for hateand the bullshit in between. No your team is the losers with a grudge for nothing but being brats In a school yard.

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        2. Mocking someone for their political actions is one thing, but Trump mocked a disabled man because of his physical disability. He mocked a man with a withered arm by pulling up his own arm and waving it around, saying “you’ve got to see this guy,” and pretending he couldn’t use his hand. This is unacceptable. In any other time and place, that would have ended a man’s political career. Trump’s cult roared with laughter. He mocked dead soldiers for being “suckers” and “fools” as Gold Star families grieved for them. He mocked others for what they could not help.
          He was mocked for being a villain.

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          1. See? I knew you would play that hand. Like I said, maybe not the preferred response but clearly in response to being mocked first. Your team started it and plays victim when someone fights back.

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          2. Please, do tell me what Trump was “fighting back against” when he called dead servicemen suckers? Did someone hurt his widdle feefees? That man-child wasn’t qualified to run a toy train, much less our country! Every business he touched went bankrupt — even a casino! Who is so incompetent they can’t make money in a business where every machine in the place is rigged? Trump is mentally incapable of admitting defeat. Every single claim he has made about voter fraud has been disproven. Every. Single. One. And yet he’s still pushing the Big Lie, like a spoiled little brat, throwing himself on the floor, kicking and screaming, I WON I WON I WON! This is not a leader. This is a mentally ill man who should be under psychiatric care.

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          1. Your inability to discern between criticism and mockery is your downfall. Funny when YOUR guy is criticized it is mocking, but when YOU mock someone you classify it as criticism.

            And the only whining am seeing in this thread is from you.

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    2. I am confused. You said: “ I will never, ever support a candidate for president who is a Democrat or a liberal or a progressive. I did that once, then walked away.

      Then later you wrote: “ So, I wouldn’t say a Democrat disappointed me…”.

      Which is it? And who was it, out of curiosity.

      For what it is worth, I do trust media as a whole. Media covering a broad spectrum politically. Conservative to progressive. The truth will out with a bit of work. And when I say media, I mean those with boots on the ground as in journalists knocking on doors, developing good contacts, and resources to pay for all that. The internet is rife with sites that just parrot or spin the hard work of others.

      The alternative is hard to support. No media. Which is essentially the same as ignoring it. Or the state controlling it as in Russia.

      As for Lois’ query about Trump’s qualities, I think that was directed at the conservatives .

      However, and I am not being flippant, the one thing that Trump did that was good was alert the nation as to how fragile a democratic republic can be if we don’t stay on top of politicians. There were a lot of norms we took for granted and we should codify.

      The presidency is not an institution. America is an institution and we elect a manager every four years. His job is to do what we tell him through our voice, Congress.
      And he must do that job within the parameters of the Constitution. We have ceded powers he should never have and Trump exposed the fallacy of that.

      Of course this wake up call is only as good as we let it be. Keep snoozing in blissful complacency and fascism will come carrying a Bible and wrapped in a flag.

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      1. RE: “Which is it? And who was it, out of curiosity.”

        As I recall, I voted for Jimmy Carter twice and for Bill Clinton once. My point was that I walked away from Democratic Party thinking and from liberal/progressive philosophy, not from individual political figures, although both Carter and Clinto proved disappointing in retrospect.

        RE: “For what it is worth, I do trust media as a whole. Media covering a broad spectrum politically. Conservative to progressive. The truth will out with a bit of work. And when I say media, I mean those with boots on the ground as in journalists knocking on doors, developing good contacts, and resources to pay for all that.”

        I don’t believe you. I have made a point of sharing media from independent journalists, but every time I do you denounce the offering.

        RE: “The presidency is not an institution.”

        Sorry, I must point out that that statement is just ignorant.

        RE: “Keep snoozing in blissful complacency and fascism will come carrying a Bible and wrapped in a flag.”

        You might take your own advice. If YOU keep snoozing, fascism will come in the form of the Democratic Party.

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        1. I said media as a whole. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough that it doesn’t mean all media. Just like I enjoy vegetables as a whole, but not squash.

          I definitely research sources and that seems to bug you and Don. Why bother to cite if I, or others, expose issues with it? You do the same everyday. You ignore NYT, etc.

          Of course the presidency is considered an institution. That’s part of the problem. I was trying to say it should not be so revered, and subsequently so powerful. America is the institution and all branches are designed to protect and nurture it. That is not so “ignorant” is it?

          As far as fascism, Lois pointed out that Trump did literally wrap himself in the flag and carry a Bible. That is kind of telling in my view.

          And my “thanks” to Trump was with the hope that our wake up call will result in a stronger America as a democratic republic, but I have my doubts as we are still hashing out 2020.

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      2. You are right, Trump did point out all of the frailties in the system… at least, he did to me. I HOPE he made it clear to everyone. There are a lot of things we need to codify. Unfortunately, I don’t see a lot of movement to do it. And you are sooooo right about Fascism! Trump literally hugged the flag and waved a Bible… upside down, but he waved it. If that doesn’t scare you straight, nothing will.

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        1. Why do you want so badly to rehash this tired argument now? Are you sailing the same TDS boat as Paul? Good strategy. Keep it up.

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          1. Why do you want so badly to avoid it? Calling people names for pointing out flaws is not a winning strategy. And, yes, I do intend to “keep it up.”

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  2. “I will never, ever support a candidate for president who is a Democrat or a liberal or a progressive.”

    I am sure that you are right about that. And there are quite a number of people like you. And that is why those of us who are in the Democrat-liberal-progressive majority are sick of politicians that try to placate your sort.

    Barack Obama failed to do more because of his delusions that you people are interested in finding middle ground. Biden tries too hard to meet you half-way as well. What is the point? As you say, you will “never, ever” support them so why waste political capital trying? Bernie Sanders had the right idea in that regard. Do what we gotta do for the American people and ignore the naysayers. The first step on the right path is to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate. It is not in the Constitution, and it should be abolished at the first opportunity. YOU won’t like it, but why should we care?

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    1. RE: “As you say, you will ‘never, ever’ support them so why waste political capital trying?”

      Good question. Here’s one for you: Why do you waste time commenting in this forum?

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      1. “ Why do you waste time commenting in this forum?”

        Why do any of us?

        So many forums are just cheerleading the host. Kerry’s site will attack any dissent because they want a mutual admiration society, not a forum for discussion or debate.

        You post articles more than anyone. If the liberals all left, you would be talking to yourself and Don, with a bit of Smith, and other assorted parachutists with anonymous handles who try clever insults after probably a few beers.

        This site is actually one of a few with a broad band of political positions. Some insults, but still back up with citations such as they are.

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        1. RE: “Why do any of us?”

          Go back and read Mr. Murphy’s comment carefully. The question is, given his disdain for people whose politics he doesn’t like, Why does he post here?

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          1. “Go back and read Mr. Murphy’s comment carefully. ”

            Maybe you should try that. It was a reasonable and polite response to YOUR declared disdain. I suggested a bona fide political response to people who declare they will “never, ever” support a Democrat – ignore them and certainly do not pander to them. If, for some reason, you took my response personally, that is on you.

            I will try to answer your question.

            As someone who studied philosophy and was on the debate team in college, I enjoy the process of analyzing and rebutting arguments presented. It is, as you say, a waste of time, but so is, say, golf. Beyond that, I think that it is important to support the truth in the public square even in a small corner like this one. Respect for the truth is a vital cornerstone of a democratic civil life. I see that respect almost completely missing in one of our two leading parties now led by a pathological liar, so I speak out.

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  3. Sorry for being so late to answer. Granddaughter’s dance recital,

    There is a lot to not like about Trump, especially as he has gotten bitter, but there were some good things too.

    First, in 2016, he was not Hillary. In 2020, he was not Biden.

    But apart from being the lesser evil, for too long the GOP had been afraid to fight. A Republican in an argument with a Democrat would fold at the first accusation of racism, no matter how unfounded. Even Newt Gingrich wouldn’t get in their face and fight back. So, Trump showing them the world would not end if Democrats didn’t like them was needed.

    While Trump was a loose cannon verbally and on Twitter, he hired good advisors and generally followed their advice.

    And, of course, he rejected the Paris Accord, which was really little more than the destruction of our industrial base only to have the same fuels burned in China. Trump did not engage in useless virtue signaling.

    There were some bad policies, like protectionism. On immigration, he got half right, stop illegal immigration, but failed to reform our racist immigration policies from the Johnson era.

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    1. I’m curious to know who you think the good advisors were Trump hired. I don’t remember him ever taking anyone’s advice. He certainly didn’t take Bill Barr’s advice on not pursuing “election fraud.”

      Refresh my memory on Trump’s racism fights. At the moment, none stand out in my mind. I remember him being a blatant, pussy-grabbing misogynist but I don’t remember him having an in-your-face-Democrats attitude about racism.

      Trump rejected the idea of climate change altogether. Unfortunately, it is not a hoax, as much as fossil fuel companies would like people to believe that. Climate change is like gravity. It doesn’t care whether or not you believe in it. If you walk over the the wrong edge, you’re going to die. The Paris Accord may not have been perfect but somebody needs to take a leadership role in doing something about climate change and I think Trump pretty much convinced the world community that the US is no longer a world leader.

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    2. How many of those “good advisors” lasted any length of time if they didn’t kowtow to his demands? How many of those good advisors have been charged criminally? How many of those good advisors did he have to offer pardons to IOT protect HIM from criminal charges?

      Good advisors my Great Aunt Fanny.

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  4. In few words, sound policies, especially energy, China, border, taxes, trade and bringing jobs back amongst many more. The other side has torched any Trump policy good or bad purely due to hate and look where we are now. The ignorant children even refuse to hang his picture in the WH, really?

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    1. Bring jobs back? Shoot, we can’t fill the ones we have now and unemployment is holding at near historic lows. We need workers. The influx of refugees, historically hard working folks, might help.

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      1. The majority of those jobs are entry level service jobs spoiled kids dont want now because they think they should be paid way more than their labor is worth. And dont hand me that “living wage” nonsense. Robotics will cure that disease and there will be no jobs. You know darn well I was speaking abt skilled labor.

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        1. “spoiled kids?”

          Living wage nonsense – a disease to be cured?

          That is a pretty good summing up of the economic side of modern “conservatism.” You are bent out of shape because the Biden economy is so vibrant that workers actually have a little clout and can demand better wages. It must be the end of civilization as we know it!

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          1. If you think DOW down 16%, NASDAQ down 25%, inflation at a 40 year high., $5 gas here and $10 in California, empty store shelves, etc, etc, etc is vibrant, no wonder your side will lose in November..bigly…

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          2. The economy is vibrant in the way that matters most – ordinary people can find good jobs and negotiate good wages. Of course, people always give the President the credit or the blame for how the economy fares. We will see how that goes in November.

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        2. Living wage is an anathema to conservatives.
          The problem is that the essential workers in major cities cannot afford to live even close to where they work.

          Living in Arkansas for example is a lot less expensive than NYC or LA or Portland or Chicago or Dallas other major economic centers.

          Yes, robotics will affect employment in the near future. It already has in many instances, like auto manufacturing. But as we learned in the first year of the pandemic, “essential workers” are the lowest paid folks in jobs like meat packing, city services, orderlies in nursing homes and hospitals, etc. Which would mean they are valuable enough to be ordered to work when others didn’t venture out.

          Those folks deserve a living wage. IMO

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    2. You are confused on so many levels. It was Trump who refused to hang Obama’s portrait in the White House. Biden is in the process of getting Trump’s portrait hung. (He will, of course, hang Obama’s first, since Trump didn’t do it.)

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-revive-presidential-portrait-tradition-trump-skipped-n1271364

      Since the sore loser didn’t attend Biden’s Inauguration, they are saying it’s unlikely he will attend the unveiling of his portrait when it’s done, because Biden will be there, but it will be hung.

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        1. I’m not sure “misled” is the proper word. “Mis” means “wrong.” “Led” is the past tense of “lead,” meaning to guide. e.g. “led to a wrong place.” I think MAGAs were taken to exactly the place they wanted to go. Whether that place was real or a lie, didn’t matter. It’s where they wanted to be. They’re still there. Waiting. If Trump doesn’t come to claim them, the next despot, hugging the flag and waving a Bible, will.

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  5. Speaking of a “living wage,” I am reminded of an article about slavery I read many years ago. The author said slavery will never return in the United States… not because of any moral opposition, but because of financial opposition. Slave owners were obligated to provide their slaves with food, clothing, and housing. It may have been the very minimum sort of food, clothing, and housing needed to keep a person alive, but if it wasn’t provided, the slaves would die and the owners would lose their investment in the price of the slaves. Today, however, corporations are under no such obligation to provide any of those things to their workers. In the words of the author, today’s slaves are not owned, they are rented. When a worker is rented, he must provide his own food, clothing, and shelter. And if he can’t do that on the wages he is paid, it’s his problem, not the owner of the company. The worker must rent himself out to multiple owners in order to survive. If he gets sick, he can die and it will cost the company nothing. If he becomes disabled or too old to work, it costs the company nothing. So, no, corporate America will never return to real slavery. When you don’t have to provide a worker with enough money to buy their own food, clothing, and shelter, you are renting a slave. And renting is so much more profitable than owning.

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  6. I can only reply but so far on a phone. To answer your question I am not “avoiding” an old worthless subject that you guys think is so important to play Trump games. I spend my time focusing on things that matter like a tanking economy, hyper inflation, exorbitant gas prices, empty store shelves, border chaos, liberal hypocrisy, left wing assault on basic decency and constitutional rights and the list goes on forever. Funny that all I got from you was crickets and unearned smugness. You plan to keep it up the Trump, Trump, Trump drum beat? Good.

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  7. Yes, replies have been unusually slow to post tonight. Not sure if it’s a site problem, an internet problem, or just that we’ve gone too long in this thread.

    I assure you, the January 6 Committee is not “playing games” and neither is the DOJ. Somebody will be held accountable for the $5 million+ damages to our Capitol, the assault on our law enforcement officers, and for the attempt to prevent the Vice President of the United States from fulfilling his legal obligations on January 6.

    As for the “tanking economy,” may I point out that it is only “tanking” for the little guys. According to FOX, a news source you surely trust, corporate profits are higher than they’ve been in 50 years.

    https://fox59.com/news/national-world/companies-see-largest-profit-growth-in-nearly-50-years-federal-reserve-reports/

    As I pointed out on another thread, gas prices in the US are lower than they are in most of the industrialized world. Empty store shelves have more to do with corporate greed and incompetence than a bad economy. The thing you choose to call “border chaos” is caused by several factors, among which are: US meddling in South American affairs; the US market for illegal drugs; and corporate America’s willingness to exploit the cheap labor of immigrants.

    If I were you, I wouldn’t even venture into the issues of hypocrisy or assaults on basic decency if I was supporting a pussy-grabbing candidate.

    Now, is this crickets, smugness, or Trump, Trump, Trump? (I’m shooting for all three.)

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    1. Laughable nonsense. You can try to downplay our dismal economy while playing the Trump distraction but it isnt working. People notice their standard of living being severely diminished under democrats. They know that higher gas prices in other countries is all TAXES and dont want to bring that socialist taxation here. They vote with their wallet. They don’t care about Trump but they do care abt the fact that Democrats don’t care squat abt their paycheck being eaten up by inflation. They care abt Democrat open border policies bringing more welfare recipients in for the taxpayer to pay for. They care abt democrats doing nothing abt empty shelves but blaming, er, lol, corporate greed??? They care abt their kids in the hands of liberals being divided into racist categories of oppressor and victim in school. Trump, Trump, Trump. Funny how you make name calling an issue but clearly name call yourself. Typical liberal hypocrite anyone?

      What I meant by replying is a phone only allows a reply to a reply to a reply if that makes sense. Any more and the reply link isn’t available anymore.

      Ciao

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    2. In addition, aside from having a gutter mouth, I assume you have never been a fly on the wall in the men’s locker room. Quite frankly many women have told me the women’s locker room is much worse so don’t act all sanctimonious, especially with your mouth.

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      1. “a gutter mouth”

        The issue raised is not the words Trump used to describe his criminal behavior. It was the criminal behavior itself and, of course, the hypocrisy of people who talk about “basic decency” while pretending that such criminal behavior is in any way acceptable behavior.

        Your odd and condescending posting looks to me like you were trying to put Ms. Radford in her place. Having seen her posts for the last few days, I advise against it.

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  8. My best friend and Army wife mentor was from Jersey. She is the only person I ever knew who went to porno movies with a notebook and pen to take notes on any new curse words or phrases she may have missed. I’ve seen her make sailors blush.

    I first learned I needed that vocabulary when I worked at an Army stable in the Presidio. First day on the job, I tried to explain to the troops that the horses were done eating and they needed to turn them out and start cleaning stalls. My first request met with crickets. I tried again, a little louder. No response. It was as if I were speaking French. They didn’t understand a word I said. So I decided to try Army vocabulary. I threatened a delicate part of their anatomy with a rusty screwdriver. They were like, “Okay, we’re going.”

    A good horse runs at the shadow of the whip. The average horse has to see the whip. The poor horse has to be beaten.

    Don’t make me have to threaten you with a rusty screwdriver.

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