Black woman in Texas got five years for voting when not eligible. What should happen here?
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RE: “What should happen here?”
Since Youngkin’s son is a minor and seems not to have broken any laws, I’d say let his parents handle it.
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I am not so sure about “not to have broken any laws.” You may be right but “attempting” to break a law is often illegal.
Of course, I agree with you. We would not want to ruin a young person’s life over one stupid mistake. Which is why the treatment of Crystal Mason is a grotesque miscarriage of justice.
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RE: “I am not so sure about ‘not to have broken any laws.'”
That comes from your own source.
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From my source . . . “it’s unclear whether any laws were broken”
I think my “not so sure” is consistent with “unclear.”
Don’t you – upon thinking about it – agree?
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No, I don’t. Your claim of uncertainty carries no weight compared to that of an election official.
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“No I don’t?”
Not too ridiculous.
I said EXACTLY the same thing as the person quoted in the story but my using different words seems to have left you utterly confused. Or is it just that you are unwilling to back down from a baseless jab?
Read my first response above (November 6, 2021 at 10:14 am). How much more civil and agreeable do I have to be before you can converse like an adult?
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You weren’t civil and agreeable.
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“You weren’t civil and agreeable.”
Actually, I was.
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See what I mean?
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Poking the bear is NOT civil and/or agreeable. Yet you do it quite often. In my observations.
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Are you calling Mr. Murphy a bear? How did I poke him?
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You accused Mr. Murphy of not being “civil and agreeable”. That is just a shot to provoke, which you are quite adept at. Just because he disagrees with your outlandish, does not make him “uncivil or disagreeable” in the sense intend.
Disagreeing does not make one disagreeable.
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“The decision to prosecute Mason was unusual. Since 2014, at least 12,668 people have voted using a provisional ballot in Tarrant county and 88% of them have been rejected because the voter was not eligible. Mason is the only voter who used a provisional ballot who was prosecuted for illegal voting.“
Gee, I wonder why?
This case is a huge miscarriage of what even passes for justice in Texas.
“The law, in its majestic equality, equally forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.”
The Black woman on the margins get her life destroyed for doing the same thing a young man of wealth and privilege did.
Sometimes the long arc of justice is just too long.
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OK, why?
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I asked the question so I could get an answer.
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No, you didn’t. It was for rhetorical effect, but nonetheless, why?
As you point out, there were at least 11,000 other provisional voters who were rejected. Were all of the rest white? I doubt it. So, why her?
Could it be that she perjured herself on the application for a provisional ballot by denying she was a convicted felon?
Could the apparent harshness of her sentence be because she was on parole for her previous offense and thus violated her parole?
Could it be that it is a good idea to go beyond an advocacy piece before presuming an atrocity has occurred?
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Part of a very familiar and repeated pattern with you people. The black victim of legal or vigilante injustice is ALWAYS to blame somehow. For the white person behaving contrary to the law you ALWAYS find an excuse or need to “wait to hear more.”
I offer no conclusion. I am simply stating the facts. But maybe some of you need to study CRT to see if it can help explain what is going on?
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As Len pointed out, she was the only one prosecuted. You imply that was because of race, but that can only be true if few or none of the other 11,000 were Black.
Perjury on the application while on parole for a previous felony seems a far more likely explanation.
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Could it be that Crystal Mason was selected to strike fear in potential voters in future elections? I think so.
The case is egregious and easy to Google.
Election laws have gotten so confusing that cases like this will pop up, but there is no reason to screw someone because of a misunderstanding. She cast a provisional ballot, as the law allows in cases of missing registration or other issues. The ballot never counted and she was arrested 6 months later.
So she attempted to vote, but never did. Youngkin the Younger attempted to vote, but never did.
Tell me the difference.
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When she signed the form she committed perjury, That the crime was detected before the ballot was counted does not change that.
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Perjury? Like all of the other thousands of people who applied for provisional ballots but were rejected because there was something wrong on their application? The thousands who were not procecuted much less sentenced to FIVE years in prison?
Ms. Mason was not even registered to vote. Her name was not on the rolls. She was clearly confused and there is an infinite amount of reasonable doubt that she had ANY criminal intent.
You ought to look into your heart and ask yourself why you cannot simply agree with what I said above – this was a grotesque miscarriage of justice.
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I will wait to hear more.
Sounds like a test of the system to me. He presented ID that clearly showed his age, so there was no deception ,and it is very curious that he would not know he was not old enough.
There is more to this, possibly something stupid, but not what you seem to think.
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RE: “There is more to this…”
Agreed.
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I believe the point was not that the young Youngkin lad should be flogged, but rather the gross inequity with the now very well known Texas “lynching”. She was caught up in a confusing law, and her life was destroyed.
He broke a very simple, long standing and very well known law that you have to be 18 to vote. And he will be just fine.
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From the source: “The Fairfax County Office of Elections told News4 it was investigating the incident but noted that it’s unclear whether any laws were broken since the teen presented proper identification and did not end up casting a vote.”
The woman in Texas did cast a vote. Regardless of how she was treated, the two situations are not comparable.
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She cast a provisional ballot, as is the norm if there are questions about registration, eligibility or other anomalies. The ballot was never counted when her status was confirmed.
So the reality is that the vote never counted. Procedures were followed. It was the follow up on her case that boggles the mind.
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But the application for the provisional ballot requires disclosure of prior felonies under pain of perjury was signed and the provisional ballot was accepted under false pretenses.
That the perjury was discovered before the ballot was accepted does not erase the prior perjury.
She says she signed the application without reading it but signing a legal document without reading is no excuse.
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So screw her. She tried to deliberately undermine our democracy by standing in line for hours to cast a provisional ballot. “Here, sign this and cast your ballot. We’ll check later.”
As the facts evolved, this is a huge miscarriage of justice and you know it.
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In Texas, the “perjury” of signing an affidavit is a misdemeanor. Casting an illegal ballot is a felony.
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I tend to agree that 5 years is excessive, I suspect that being on parole for a previous felony is the reason.
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What law did he try to break?
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Uh, what do I seem to think?
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As always, you think racism was the deciding factor, with no basis in fact to support that.
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Nice try, but no.
What I think is that black people are treated more harshly than white people by the law. Why do I think that? Because it is true.
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Crystal Mason was a convicted felon still under supervision and signed an affidavit that she had completed all incarceration, paid all fines and completed all supervised probation. She committed perjury in order to get a ballot which is just as bad as perjury in court. A minor doing something stupid doesn’t amount to the same level. If it relieves anyone’s mind, Ms Mason’s appeal is being heard by an all Republican Court of Criminal Appeals that isn’t required to hear anything but death penalty cases but took hers anyway which is extremely rare and notable. After serving time in prison for tax fraud, I don’t think she is completely innocent but she will probably get a break. I am guessing the other 11k rejected ballots of ALL races did not include perjury so this issue is NOT abt race like the extremist left wing would like to argue. Not even a nice try….yawn..
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Welcome back, Bob. I am glad you survived all the rioting, looting and burning that you said would follow a Youngkin victory.
Guess all you want, but every application that lead to a rejected provisional ballot had to have an error on it or the ballot would have been accepted. The idea that Ms. Mason alone committed perjury and deserves FIVE years in prison is a dog that will not hunt.
As for little Mr. Youngkin, it is worth remembering that he tried his election fraud stunt, not once, but twice. You can plead ignorance on the first attempt but the second was done with full knowledge that he was not eligible to vote.
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Provisional ballot rejections are almost always as a result of missing information, signatures or simple mistakes that were not LIED about. Youngkin did not LIE, in fact he presented a valid ID in person which makes me believe he was just testing the system for whatever reason. What part of LYING about completing all court ordered restitution and requirements are you missing?
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RE: “Not even a nice try….yawn.”
My dad had a mental illness of sorts that I called the “ABC Disease.” He was constantly coming up with schemes to put “A” and “B” together to create “C,” a better mousetrap that would make him rich. He never could grasp the fallacy of his formula.
That’s what this post is; putting two unrelated stories together to create a bigger story that is truthier than Truth.
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The stories are NOT unrelated. Obviously.
Both stories involve ineligible people attempting to and failing to vote.
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No. Submitting a provisional ballot is voting. Not casting any ballot is not voting.
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Pathetic.
Both individuals tried to vote when they were not eligible. As almost always happens, the good work of the volunteers who run our elections prevented them from succeeding. The stories ARE related and obviously so.
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RE: “Both individuals tried to vote when they were not eligible. ”
That’s exactly where the similarity ends. A chicken and a fox cross the road to get to the other side, but that doesn’t make the chicken a fox.
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But BOTH are road crossers. Obviously.
Seriously, why would anyone claim these stories are “unrelated?”
And why would ANY decent person dispute that FIVE years in prison for this “crime” is a travesty?
I know the answer to the second question – they wouldn’t.
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If the provisional ballot did not get counted as a vote, then Ms Mason never voted.
If you needed a ballot, then tore it up or pitched it in the trash, you never voted.
The form she signed said that lying on the form was a misdemeanor, not a felony. Casting an illegal vote was the felony. Well, she never cast a ballot. Thousands of provisional ballots from her county were rejected, meaning they never counted, the same as never voting. That also means thousands signed forms that were untrue.
Bottom line, this was a travesty of justice. She was a Black ex-con, paroled 9 years earlier from a federal tax fraud conviction.
How many years did the two men receive, one in Pennsylvania and one in Ohio, who purposefully cast second ballot for their dead mothers to get extra Trump votes? That was intentional fraud.
PS: It was the Pennsylvania man who was brought to light by the Lt. Guv of Texas and his $1 million bounty that he welched on because the fraud was by a Republican.
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Mr. Youngkin, the Younger, attempted to vote because of a law that states if you will be age 18 by Election Day, you are eligible to register and vote. A friend of his had followed that law and Youngkin Jr. thought he could vote too.
Sounds to me like Youngkin, the Elder, needs to educate his son on elections laws, math, and common sense. Those private schools are doing wonders in civic education.😇
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