Williams on Race


I’m going fishing this afternoon, but this should keep it interesting

17 thoughts on “Williams on Race

  1. “White liberals deem that any speaker’s references to personal responsibility brands the speaker as bigoted.”

    Comments like this are why Williams has little credibility.

    He spectacularly misses the point being made by Booker and Buttigieg. He then goes on to provide statistics about the “effects” of systemic racism while blaming the “cause” on a liberal leftest “hoax” all to argue that we don’t a bigot in the WH.

    The only point he made worth noting is the lack of responsibility that permeates the “subculture of the disadvantaged”. Senator Obama was correct in his assessment, and the answer is to try to change the embedded systemic racism that allowed thAt subculture to come into existence in the first place.

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  2. The first thought that came to mind as I read this piece was “cherry picked facts to distract from what is usually meant as racism and hate crimes.”

    While the criminal stats cited are important, what is completely ignored is the rise in crimes of hate. Someone on these boards (or maybe on the old VP comment site.) once said that all crimes are crimes of hate. I reject that as straight BS. Anti-black/brown and anti-semitic crimes target those based on race or religion. The statistics Williams uses are more crimes of opportunity, not based on race, but availability.

    This is just an attempt to cover the real issue. And a poor one at that.

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    1. I thought about the phrase “ interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide)” and came to the same conclusion that these sound like crimes of opportunity. Or more succinctly, crimes that would be prevalent in situations of stark economic differences.

      For example, a century ago a middle class person wandering into an Irish ghetto in NY in search of illicit goods or just by misfortune might be attacked, robbed, beaten or worse. That would not be considered a racial crime, but rather an economic one. Chance are that few middle or upper class New Yorkers would look to rob the poor Irish laborer.

      With gentrification, the encounters between whites with money encountering blacks without is probably increasing.

      What is interesting to think about is why we have blacks so concentrated in inner city enclaves and projects. Why aren’t those the exception rather than the norm?

      Or to put it another way, why are low income black populations not integrated. When waves of immigrants arrived a century or more ago, they formed their own communities at first, but after a few generations just blended in to society. Couldn’t tell the difference between third generation Poles and Greeks, or Irish from Czechs.

      And yet African-Americans have been here for 400 years.

      In reality, of course, the black population has effectively “just arrived” en masse since 1965 when legislation was enacted to treat them as real Americans.

      And then there is the matter of skin color. That makes racial identification easier, for better or worse.

      There is a lot of nuance to the race debate. I don’t think Williams’ essay takes any into consideration.

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    2. Regarding hate crimes, they echo William’s statistics on interracial crime in general


      Whites (including Hispanics) make up 74% of the population and committed 54% of hate crimes while Blacks make up 13% of the population and committed 24% of hate crimes, roughly 3 times the rate for whites,

      Of course, that doesn’t excuse violence based on race by anyone, but hate is not an exclusively white problem.


      1. The point I was trying to get through was there is a difference between crimes that occur because of opportunity versus those that are planned and occur based on hate or fear of the ever-present “other.”

        Those who deny crimes of hate are occurring or are the same as “any crime” are badly informed or blind to reality.

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  3. Williams says, “White and black liberals, who claim that blacks face a ‘mortal threat’ from the ‘white supremacist in the White House’ are perpetuating a cruel hoax.”

    I agree. It is but one of many cruel hoaxes circulating these days.

    The statistics Dr. Williams reports shows that the hoaxers have the upper hand. Anyone who checks his own experience — especially anyone who grew up in the Jim Crow South — can attest that white supremacy is almost non-existent today. And yet there is no shortage of loudmouthed seekers after power who insist that white supremacy threatens our society.

    The hoax-makers prevail because we don’t think for ourselves. We don’t even test our assumptions against the record of our own lives. We just let the hoaxers rule us.


    1. Obama made it quite clear in one of his finer speeches at the 50th anniversary of the march on Selma. He rejected the notion that nothing had changed since the Civil Rights movement.

      Yet, there is much to do.

      “ If you think nothing’s changed in the past 50 years, ask somebody who lived through the Selma or Chicago or Los Angeles of the 1950s.”


      “ We just need to open our eyes, and our ears, and our hearts to know that this nation’s racial history still casts its long shadow upon us.”

      “ Fifty years from Bloody Sunday, our march is not yet finished, but we’re getting closer. Two hundred and thirty-nine years after this nation’s founding our union is not yet perfect, but we are getting closer. Our job’s easier because somebody already got us through that first mile.”

      I don’t believe that there is a hoax about race relations. Four centuries of legal and extra-legal apartheid are not erased by legislation in 1965.

      Culture takes longer.


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      1. RE: “I don’t believe that there is a hoax about race relations.”

        Here the issue is that crime statistics don’t support the hoax of white-on-black violence that many assume is related to white supremacy.


        1. RE: “What is extra laughable is how you manage to portray yourself as some sort of Christian believer and as a spiritual and moral person while supporting Trump and now supporting war crimes.”

          His source is Heather Mac Donald’s recent article, “A Platform of Urban Decline,” which appeared in Manhattan Institute’s publication Eye On The News.


          1. “ To make her case, she uses the latest Bureau of Justice Statistics 2018 survey of criminal victimization. Mac Donald writes: “According to the study, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between blacks and whites last year, including white-on-black and black-on-white attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90%, and whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10%.“

            That is why I was trying to get some definitions. What are “ interracial violent victimizations”? Does that include shoplifting from a store or chain owned by whites? Stolen cars, bikes, pickpocketing. Some white kid trying to buy pot in the ghetto and getting robbed? Stolen credit card fraud?

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